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soooo..
I'm trying out Renoise for the second time.
I downloaded it once many months ago, and I tried to learn it for about 15 minutes, and it scared me. so i gave up.
now I'm trying it again, and I think it is very badass.
I'm thinking that once I get good at it, it may become much more effecient way of writing tunes than point and click.
i'll paraphrase a renoisehead over at their forum- 'you wouldn't want to write your email's by point and click would you?'
oh yea, and thanks Adjective for inspiring me to give it a shot. 'time is it' is a very awesome testament to what can be done on a tracker.
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10/16/06
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monkvolcano
oh yea.. and one thing that's been annoying the piss out of me is.. in the manual, it's says that the shortcut key for 'starting playback at cursor' is 'apps'
WTF is apps?!?
i've have never heard such a thing.
10/16/06
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Otterfan
Apps key is the key that opens contextual menus. If you have one, it should be on the right side of your keyboard on the bottom between the Windows key and the Ctrl key. Mine has a little picture of a contextual menu on it.
Renoise rocks. Just wish they'd add ReWire to it. I don't know why that feature doesn't dominate the voting when they poll for new features. WTF who needs a mixer?
10/16/06
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airliner
i haven't tried renoise, but i'm a big tracker fan, mainly through buzz...i'll probably check it out sometime, especially since it runs on osx.
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license
Dude.
I dunno if you're a registered user...but...it's a good time to register.
They just added recording capability. You can record while you're playing/sequencing. It sounds minor, especially since there's already a Render Selection command. But for me, it's really making work with my MIDI gear and computer a hell of a lot more enjoyable.
The wave editor's not shabby either.
I agree that the mixer's kind of goofy. To me it seems to primarily be bait for people who are afraid of trackers, to show them that Renoise has as much in common with something like Fruity Loops as with Modplug. The nice thing, though, is that you can take chunks of a track's DSP chain in the mixer, highlight & drag to copy or move somewhere else. That's the kind of thing I love about Renoise. They're all about the details.
10/16/06
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monkvolcano
i'm definitely thinking about registering sometime in the not to distant future.. after i get a job that is. 
the new version does look pretty darn spiffy, but still on the demo for now.
there is really so much to this program, not a lot of flab tho, all seems like necessary stuff.
besides just remembering all the shortcuts, the main thing i'm grappling wiht right now is trying to figure out how i want to set the tempo and speed right now..
at first, i just cranked the bpm up really high so that i could do fast rolls and what not, but then i learned about the speed param. so then i put the speed on 9 and used retrig for rolls.
however, im kind of used to being able to write out rediculously fast rolls that go over different notes.. this is where it gets tricky. i cna't do it with retrig obviously, so i guess my only other option would be to crank up the tempo again.. this would kind of suck, making it more tedious to see the patterns that i'm writing, but it might be the only way.
also, when retriggering for a roll, and hoping that there's some kind of amp envelope i can trigger for the channel so that i can have the notes within the retrig fading out. I'm assuming there is a way to do this, jsut have it looked it up quite yet.
also, i'm wondering how you change panning when you have already written some other command in the pan spot.
ok, i'm going to go mess with it some more.
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Adjective
the moment i can pay all my monthly bills and have something left over, i'll be registering.
i like that they are adding a mixer mainly because i crave those little level meters for each track.
when i've got like 12 tracks going sometimes seeing a visual cue that something is way loud is handy
i kind of wish they'd add a 'pencil mode' to the wave editor
and i wish i could type in the Hz on the EQ 5 / 10 dsp
and... jump / spread panning that the NNXT has in Reason. where the sample triggers from a different place each time within a specified stereo field (like 6db left - 6d right) and stays there and the next sample triggers elsewhere without moving the location of the last sample. i got really used to having that. are there any simple ways of doing that in a tracker? i refuse to use that 'width' effect
p.s. it's 'time is it' =)
it's all the same though
10/16/06
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monkvolcano
ok fixed it adj.
dur.
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fichu
i absolutely love renoise, couldn't get used to other trackers after impulse tracker failed to work under XP until i bought renoise, i'm running it on my PC as well as on my powerbook.
the only downside for me is the way you have to arrange your patterns, in a small column. i wish you could play multiple patterns at the same time for example, and you get lost easily when you've got +30 patterns.
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kidko
The fact that ASIO is disabled in the demo makes it pretty useless to me. I can't get decent latency without ASIO 
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adjective inspired me too.
to try renoise.
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monkvolcano said: "i'm definitely thinking about registering sometime in the not to distant future.. after i get a job that is.
the new version does look pretty darn spiffy, but still on the demo for now."
Yeah. The differences aren't that huge. It's kind of like having a car with all the "options". It just feels a bit more luxurious. And addictive ;)
monkvolcano said: "besides just remembering all the shortcuts, the main thing i'm grappling wiht right now is trying to figure out how i want to set the tempo and speed right now..
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I'm still trying to figure out the shortcuts. I think what I need to do is just print out a cheat sheet and stick it to the wall.
Use the tempo & speed commands, though. If you use speed instead of tempo, it's easier to manage because you're working with the same multiples of time, if you know what I mean. Like if you set the speed to '6' most of the time, and then have a fast section and set it to '3', you know it's going to be twice as fast. And '2' will be 3 times as fast, etc. Or is it the other way around? I dunno, play with it 
Oh yeah, and here are the speed/tempo commands (from here)
- f0xx - Set BPM (20 - ff)
- f1xx - Set songspeed (01–14, 00 = stop song)
monkvolcano said: "however, im kind of used to being able to write out rediculously fast rolls that go over different notes.. this is where it gets tricky. i cna't do it with retrig obviously, so i guess my only other option would be to crank up the tempo again.. this would kind of suck, making it more tedious to see the patterns that i'm writing, but it might be the only way."
Yeah, just use the speed command. And then when your roll is done, turn the speed back. It's a bit of a kludge but it works.
Also, there's a pattern-modifier window where you can have it automatically adjust the speed of a section (actual note/command data, not just the clock speed). For example if you took a section with a bunch of 16th notes, highlighted it, you could use a half-speed command and it'd just insert blank lines every other step.
monkvolcano said: "also, when retriggering for a roll, and hoping that there's some kind of amp envelope i can trigger for the channel so that i can have the notes within the retrig fading out. I'm assuming there is a way to do this, jsut have it looked it up quite yet."
Pretty sure there is a way to do this...if I'm not mistaken it just involves deleting the note number on the steps where you don't want to retrigger the envelope.
If you don't want to do it that way, well...have you played with the automation curves? This was the thing that really caught my eye about Renoise that I felt set it apart. A very nice touch, very useful.
monkvolcano said: "also, i'm wondering how you change panning when you have already written some other command in the pan spot."
Insert another command...? Or again, just use the automation curves. Or you could make an instrument with a panning envelope built into it.
monkvolcano said: "ok, i'm going to go mess with it some more."
Go to it! :D
10/16/06
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Also I wanted to point out how ridiculously fucking cheap Renoise is.
Even with the dollar in the shitter, at the conversion rate it's less than $75 USD.
Probably most bang for the buck you're going to find in 2006.
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Ochre
can you make chords? i know that sounds silly but i couldn't figure out how to do it last time i checked. i probably should rtfm or forum.
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Yup, easy.
Add a note column. I think there's a shortcut for it, ctl+N or something, but to be safe, just right click the track.
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fichu said: "the only downside for me is the way you have to arrange your patterns, in a small column. i wish you could play multiple patterns at the same time for example, and you get lost easily when you've got +30 patterns."
having started out on FL studio, I thought about that right off the bat. seems like they could mimic the FL 'playlist' and it would work perfect.
also i'm wondering, is a tracker similar to the format that folks were writing music on for video games way back in the day. I've always wondered how NES music was written, there's some of it I consider to be truly great. (holy dog nuts i'm a nerd.)
@kidko.. it looks like on the website, that you can download the full version of renoise 1.1.1 for free.. only thing is I can't find a list of it's features.. I guess it could totally suck.
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