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web2.0 and newfangled contraptions
StoreTags: podcast, blog, rss, web2.0, new shit
Author: dach on November 06 2007 Viewed 2907 times. 21 people liked this blog. You can rate it below if you haven't already.
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Hey,
Having recently passed thirty, it's time to acknowledge the fact that I no longer know whats happening on the internet just by automatic. I've been struggling to get to grips with this social networking, web2.0 revolution with varying degrees of success (and confusion).
I know what the blogs and podcasts are, alright, but something else seems missing. It still feels like strangers writing journals that I am reading, and not a network of people I know and share parts of my life and music with. em411 comes close to that, and facebook keeps me in contact with a few people I know 'for real'. But what else is out there? Is this the extent of the communications revolution?
What have I missed? How can we, as musicans (and 30 somethingers for the most part) deal with this new stuff? With Miro I can subscribe to video podcasts that automagically download and present me with the latest cool TV stuff. My iTunes sells me music direct through my mp3 player, and even downloads some podcasts.
But.
Where the hell IS everyone? Is it just me not making any friends, or not surfing the right areas? This technology is Bloody Wonderful, and I love my daily dose of downloaded videos and mp3s keeping things fresh, but I'm not particularly finding people out there to talk to!!!
We _have_ the technology to hook all our studios together live. We could be automatically sharing all our loops in automated, rss'd downloads to each other. Why are we distributing our releases as mp3s when we could share multitracked formats with warp markers, ready for remixing?? Where where is the LIVE FUN?! What is wrong with this current picture!!!
I want to watch you, yes you, live on webcam just messing about with your synth. If anyone wants a tour of my studio, watch me test out a machinedrum or do a spontaneous noise show with a bunch of circuit bent instruments live then I'm happy to switch the cameras on. Do you DJ? Can I watch you practicing a set at home? I would LOVE it
None of these things need to be of technical brilliance, high quality audio/video or rehearsed perfect performances to be FUN!
Many of us noodle and never finish things, and so never release this work. I'm giving up the idea of finishing shit, and wanna aim for live jams instead!! Plug stuff in, make noise, hang out and socialise using this technological stuff instead of a keyboard and the same old forum and same old irc channel method that I started with about some 14 years ago. JAM SESSIONS!
So, please, someone join me in exploration of new tools and ideas? RSSing the studio, online realtime work, live events and so on..?
by the way, you should have rss for the mixits and quixits.
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dach
Oh yeah, if you got your own blog or podcast, or are regularly online and releasing stuff then pleaseplease leave a link here for me to check out!!!!
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cbit
i liked this post. I didn't find the technotopia you speak of yet either, can't be far off though.. my blog: link
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mulletballet
I can see where you're coming from with this -- the 'social' web is no comparison to... socializing. I'm mid 30's and ... I watched all this online stuff go down, from 300 baud BBS's in the 80's (one I wrote and ran myself) all the way through the 14.4k baud 'internet revolution' and on -- what I've noticed with Web 2.0... is it's all "ME. ME, ME" -- look at MySpace -- it's not about gathering with your friends and keeping in touch, it's about SHOWING OFF.
Posting pictures of your drunken party antics, your pets, yourself in different outfits... "LOOK AT ME!!!" -- it's not really social.
Unfortunately, I stopped programming right around 1990... I'm a little 'out of the loop' now... but I'm sure applications could be written to do more social interacting, webcasts of video that can be viewed by groups of people without it being a chat program where you get asked "A/S/L?" when your camera goes live...
Hm.
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Squeal
How nuts would it be if we could actually see each other. I don't know if I could handle it.
And I must know....WTF is A/S/L?
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Squeal
With the medium (em411 specifically) the way it is now, it is very easy for people to interact without any social anxiety. It's easy, it's safe. You know what I mean?
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cbit
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dach
squeal: yeah, definitely know what you mean. I am a bit nervous about video chats and so on too, anyone who has been on the net for some years and hasn't yet tried it is naturally gonna resist. But I'm thinking that we might take a jump anyway, and see if we can use the tech for something cool (ie I'd love to watch someone live jamming or DJing from their home) you dont just have to sit and talk on camera. Forums are good for some kinds of expression, and I hope video for others. It's more of an extension of interactions, rather than a replacement. You cant beat irc for flamewears or a forum for debate/discussion/tutorial. But we can most definitely go a step beyond "post your studio pics here" type threads.. at least a video version of that would be cool. Would anyone like a video tour of my studio??
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bbwax
mulletballet said: "I can see where you're coming from with this -- the 'social' web is no comparison to... socializing. I'm mid 30's and ... I watched all this online stuff go down, from 300 baud BBS's in the 80's (one I wrote and ran myself) all the way through the 14.4k baud 'internet revolution' and on -- what I've noticed with Web 2.0... is it's all "ME. ME, ME" -- look at MySpace -- it's not about gathering with your friends and keeping in touch, it's about SHOWING OFF.
Posting pictures of your drunken party antics, your pets, yourself in different outfits... "LOOK AT ME!!!" -- it's not really social.
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pretty much sums it up for me too. i love/hate the web. i imagine my perspective would be different if i was younger and didn't know a pre-web way of doing things.
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dach
i am writing this on my phone. it is cold and wet at this busstop. it cost me lots of money to access this and no one had written anything new. i hate you all! and now im gonna walk home cos there is no sign of the fucking bus. bah
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TheNullSet
Remember when 'friend' meant something, before Myspace made a game out of accumulating as many as possible?
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cbit
dach said: "i am writing this on my phone. it is cold and wet at this busstop. it cost me lots of money to access this and no one had written anything new. i hate you all! and now im gonna walk home cos there is no sign of the fucking bus. bah"
lol ouch! If you posted a vid of your studio and you in it, showing stuff, or doing something, i'd watch it.
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dach
I'm sitting on the toilet right now, so perhaps be glad the camera is off.
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j_chot
all you need to know about the internet is cats with captions
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Jenoki
aren't podcasts just mp3s?
aren't blogs just forums with a really big topic description?
i don't really see a web revoloution, more of a regurgitation but with new buzzwords.
the youtube stuff is good
i like the whole wiki thing too.
here's a kinda interesting podcast discussing 'The Golden Age of the Internet'
link
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dach
welll... podcasts are mp3s, yes. But they show up automatically on your computer, which is an entirely different feeling than going out on the net and surfing around. You can certainly browse through more content in search of good stuff by this method, and it's nice to get reminded of things too
im subscribed to mnls song-a-day now, and they turn up automatically in my itunes so I listen to them, otherwise I'd only hear one or two of them, or perhaps none at all. If anyone else is doing song a day, ill be able to keep up with them too...
so, its not really terribly new technology, but when you start using it, its actualy very useful, and revolutionary changes to your usual workflow
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