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Running thoughts...
I was thinking about music and how alot of things are defined by words. Like techniques, styles, moods, etc. I was thinking about language and language barriers. Math time.
I don't know another spoken language. I also don't know musical notation. I also don't know tecnical terms for processes and techiques I use. I operate in an undefinable state. Not that it's any different than the state that anyone else is working in, I just couldn't define it if I tried. Such as where I feel I'm at muscally, technically, and creatively. Of course I have some basic languange in all the aspects cause I'm around it alot.
I think about, but don't have a solid conclusion to, the idea of how much easier it must be to directly assciate a word to an object or feeling than to, for instance, think of a cat, then think of the word "Cat" then relate it to "Gato" (if thats the right word in spanish) to have the proper expression to a spanish speaking person.
Some languages don't have meaning for certain things. Short conclusion. Wouldn't it be better to get to know actions, techniques, feeling, ideas more than it would to be able to express what you are doing to another person? Isn't it the ground floor of understanding what you are doing? Or Would it be better to know the language first and either relate it to prior experince or emulate it?
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hardvoltnine
Shit I know exactly what I was getting at...lol.
Is it better to have gone to college for music or is experince better than learning it......sorry for all the crazy words. weird how I try to complicate ideas into anologies some times.
Or??? should you learn it first than experince it or experince it then learn it?
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hardvoltnine
anologies are meant to make things simpler
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tmns
I've always found that doing anything i love in a college environment ruins it for me. I've tried it with music, writing and design. To me there's nothing better than just doing it yourself, you can turn to someone for help when you feel you need it, but then go back off on your own again. I've learned much more this way than i feel i could at college. Maybe i just went to the wrong colleges though...
Another thing, i notice once a lot of people have been to college and gained a qualification in something, they tend to think that's it, they know it all now, nothing else to learn. I think there's a lot to be said for forgetting what you know(in a way), once you've learned it, then you can still approach things in a frame of mind that will allow you to learn more.
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jogn
Sometimes, the language abstractions help in communicating the idea over to another person. If not, you're likely to forever demonstrate physically what you mean over and over again to every new person. It will also help in shmoozing the schmos.
It's always good to have a firmer grounding ala college courses for all this. But it always depends on where you're at, and it just might kill the interest. But if you ask me, anyone that posts on this site will have unkillable interest, for better or worse.Just pick and choose from the snooty aspects of formal education and meld it with experience.
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dach
Language and consciousness are extremely closely linked. I disliked how certain grammar constructs were considered legal, and others were not, and wondered how this effected our perceptions of the universe. For instance, the Future Conditional tense (if X then Y) contains no equivalent past tense version. "If there is nothing good on TV, I will finish my book". This correlates with our view of the future as an undecided, branching system, and the past as being a fixed, linear progression leading up to this current point. Now what would happen if the language was modified to create new opportunities that seem nonsensical at first.. "If there was nothing good on TV, then I finished my book", Could fluency in this tense allow for conditional branching in the previously linear perception of past time? We already conditionally black out and choose to remember our own version of events, but no express tense exists to define these or further their developments. Could other tenses be created, and used to describe alternative perceptions of time, perhaps cyclical time, or split time where Present is not a singular instance but could occur more than once.
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its never too late for you to start learning
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