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brain VS jazz
Author: j_chot on March 01 2008
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awesome article.

...Moreover, the researchers found that much of the change between improvisation and memorization occurred in the prefrontal cortex, the region of the frontal lobe of the brain that helps us think and problem-solve and that provides a sense of self. Interestingly, the large portion responsible for monitoring one’s performance (dorsolateral prefrontal cortex) shuts down completely during improvisation, while the much smaller, centrally located region at the foremost part of the brain (medial prefrontal cortex) increases in activity. The medial prefrontal cortex is involved in self-initiated thoughts and behaviors, and is very active when a person describes an event that has happened to him or makes up a story. The researchers explain that, just as over-thinking a jump shot can cause a basketball player to fall out of the zone and perform poorly, the suppression of inhibitory, self-monitoring brain mechanisms helps to promote the free flow of novel ideas and impulses. While this brain pattern is unusual, it resembles the pattern seen in people when they are dreaming....

this must be why so many musicians smoke pot...
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Moreover, the researchers found that i drink too much water

and why so much idm is prentious CRAP.

i just had a dream I was snuggling with John Stamos. I will NOT be doing jazz.

Interesting article. I just finished "Your Brain on Music" by D Levitan (sp?), which is in a similar vein.
I have to admit I'm suspicious of "highly trained jazz musicians" - I think highly experienced might have been a better choice. Also that they were playing "while in the confines of a functional MRI scanner"(!?) But hey, I guess that's Science - trying to extract truthful observations of nature from artificially-constructed scenarios.
Anyway, thanks for the read.

monkvolcano - do you mean because there is so little genuine improvisation in IDM?
clawback - come on, that calls for a little romantic sax melody by candlelight...

I played with a jazz improv group for several years. I play free jazz when I get the chance too.
I found it really interesting. At first it seems that you are given so much room to improvise.
Then the amount of space and musical freedom is shifted somewhat.
Sections come in with melody and there is a degree of familiarity that comes in shaping this based on scale.
Players solo, and need rhythmic stability to support that space.
Its like being in a big room, but people keep putting more and more furniture in it, but the room is still big.
Well bigger then just using a fake book

So applied to EM, I think that a similar neurological result could occur when you look at the piece of music as a composition greater then the sum of its parts
Ultimately thats when the magic in improv and the brain happens. In auto pilot, with a tinsiest bit of structure faded.

most jazz is pretensious crap. and usually the jazz I like is considered to be funk .. like Sextant, etc..

"I think that a similar neurological result could occur when you look at the piece of music as a composition greater then the sum of its parts"

I like that.. well said

djugel said: "most jazz if pretentious crap"

have you listened to most jazz? I kindly suggest you don't know what the fuck you're talking about
sorry that was immensely bitchy, I don't take well to thoughtless generalizations

that article is very interesting to me, the old inspiration v. perspiration but with MRI scans to illustrate.

I think what memphisvolcaino is trying to say is he thinks IDM is "too self-monitored"

most jazz sounds like cats in heat to me

I understand and obey. I mean agree. I suppose it's difficult with computer-laden, editing-intensive types of music making.
I think this thread meshes well with the "DAW block" just below, re finding a balance between the creative and the technical. It's a problem that I think every 'electronic musician' has to wrestle with (maybe every artist?), and some take it to one or the other extreme to cope. I can't thnk of examples at the moment, but I'll bet you can.

oops, I meant I agree that most IDM is too self-monitored.
Not that most jazz sounds like cats in heat - although much of the better stuff IMO has that quality at times! (Pharoah Saunders, Sun Ra). In a good way of course. I guess it's an acquired taste.

and thats why you can't make music AND learn a new DAW at the same time.

that is precisely what i mean mr chot.

and yes djugel ur right as well, most jazz is pretentious crap.

and then there's astroid.. the best of both worlds of pretentious crap.


but srsly.. i think the best way to make intellectual dumb music is to 'improvise' in your head, and then transcribe it.. doing this in a spontaneous way, takes a lot of skill. it's really difficult to detach that self monitoring part of the brain from the transcribing part, but it can be done.

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