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well, i wish someone from china would try to kill george bush's father so then we could invade them and spread liberty and democracy.. but i guess tibet doesn't deserve our freedoms. bah. if they only had oil.
before we invaded Iraq i got an email from someone arguing that we should invade Iraq because, morally it was our duty, because Saddam was killing his own people blah blah blah.. of course i went on to explain that the USA doesn't give a shit about human rights etc and sighted a million cases around the globe throughout history where we trained death squads, overthrew democratically elected dictators and installed thugs in power to maintain our interests in the region etc etc and went on to say that if the USA did give a shit about human rights we'd invade china and if we do go into Iraq it'll be for any reason that's not human rights abuses.
so, now w/the, "rioters" as china calls them, "trying to ruin the olympics" i'm waiting for our jovial, aloof, tap dancing moron president to comment just to remind us all, once again, how dumb and naive he is.
the reason for this blog? i don't know.. i went to boing boing and they had some info plus videos of monks "rioting".. which is basically hanging out, clapping and hooting in a high falsetto.. at least that's all the videos i've seen show. this type of behavior is grounds for arrest and over 1000 have been arrested.
HOWEVER, there are pics linked from the boingboing piece of dead monks shot through the back etc... which is just great for my outlook on the state of the world. if they only had oil we'd care.
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" The Dalai Lama says he will resign as head of state of the Tibetan Government in Exile if the violence continues".
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03/18/08
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atum
thats a wierd thing to say
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ignatius
atum said: "thats a wierd thing to say"
which thing?
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atumISpawel
don't worry he's a dick.
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Zanf
What makes me laugh about it is that china says that tibet is and always has been, a part of the 'motherland' yet tibetans are a distinct different ethic race.
Just a brief look at Tibetan history shows that the Han were unable to invade the Tibetan plateau for about 1500 years until Tibet adopted buddhism and disbanded its military force [about 1500-1800 years ago]. They were then 'protected' by Mongolian forces, who gave the Dalai Lama his name [it means ocean of compassion] in exchange for Tibet giving Mongolia 'spiritual guidance'.
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Zanf said: "What makes me laugh about it is that china says that tibet is and always has been, a part of the 'motherland' yet tibetans are a distinct different ethic race.
Just a brief look at Tibetan history shows that the Han were unable to invade the Tibetan plateau for about 1500 years until Tibet adopted buddhism and disbanded its military force [about 1500-1800 years ago]. They were then 'protected' by Mongolian forces, who gave the Dalai Lama his name [it means ocean of compassion] in exchange for Tibet giving Mongolia 'spiritual guidance'."
it's a very 'joseph heller' situation.
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03/18/08
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tunalicker
link tibetan oil
Where there are resources, large systems push out local systems.
next stop, south american freeways. i don't believe this behavior will change until the resources are all gone.
03/18/08
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Jim
I've never really understood the plight of the Tibetan people, specifically, what China possibly has to gain from the oppression of their religion. One personal belief of mine is that most people believe they are moral and good people, even as they commit great evil.
I think George Bush probably believes he's done the right thing with the war in Iraq. The Chinese leaders probably think they are in the right too. Sometimes, I wish I could understand their motivations. I probably would still disagree, but at least I could understand why people with power have lead their countries into committing such atrocities. In the case of Bush, I'd like to know the reason for all this blood on my hands, and no, I don't think it's as simple as oil.
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ignatius
not as simple as 'oil' but there's probably 100 other reasons that might as well be oil.. contracts, contracts, contracts. also, you'd have to dissect the psyche's of a dozen or so people in Bush's administration to really know "WHY" we went there. what made them think it was a good idea.. hint hint $$$$$, religion, childhood, education, parents etc etc. mostly $$$ and the romantic idea of having their war and thinking they were going to actually build a nation...
or perhaps they were scared shitless that the saudi's etc were going to get rid of the dollar as a means of currency for trading oil and put the euro in its place.. or something like that.. plus an oil grab. america depends on oil for everything. just ask canada.. they sell us a lot of it.
china and tibet?? hmm.. it's totally fucked.. essentially what we did to the natives in north america. have you seen 'Kundun'? good movie and gives a good synopsis of the situation historically though i'm sure there's a long list of books, documentaries etc you could explore to really come to grasps w/the situation...
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yghartsyrt
i think the motivations are as simply as it gets.
divide et impera.
that'S the principle on how to lead a country since rome.
of course this changed quite a lot, because stuff like capitalism happened.
that put a different focus on foreign affairs, but its core stayed divide et impera.
the other is: how much can a nation profit from a war.
i think it's not about the effin bush family and some chinese leaders. it's about the underneath lying structure.
(on the other hand. just forget, what i said. i haven't slept more than 3 hours this night. and the coffee is still brewing).
really sad and fucked up thing, nevertheless.
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j_chot
umm.. I hate to shoot down you guys, but aren't we in the whole from those wars?
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slp
I think George Bush probably believes he's done the right thing with the war in Iraq.
huh, whats the 'right' thing? right for the people? or 'right' for his rich and powerful friends? 'right' for the immensely powerful Israel lobby ? (which was a very strong force pushing for this war in Iraq, something many people dont know , cause its 'forbidden' to talk about it). The 'right' thing for the military industrial complex ?
In that sense i guess yea , it was the 'right' thing to do. The iraq war is not a 'failure' in the eyes of those who pushed for it. This war is not based on stupidity or 'wrong predictions'. It runs more or less as planed. So , yes, you could say he thinks its the 'right' thing i guess. Or do you seriously still believe that Bush thought 'yea its the right thing for the people and our security' or something??
It was certainly worth it for them.
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Otterfan
ignatius said: "romantic idea of having their war and thinking they were going to actually build a nation"
The key to understanding why the neocons wanted to invade Iraq. If it was just oil money, we could have simply dropped the oil embargo against Iraq, or profited from it on the down-low like other countries did. But the Cheney crew were actually naive enough to believe that the Iraqi people would immediately take to a tolerant, multi-ethnic democracy, and classic liberalism would sweep through the Middle East.
There was certainly profiteering going on, but I don't think it was the main motive.
People who believe in things are much more dangerous than people who want to make money.
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Not to condone the china regime, every nation has its right for self experssion.
tibet pre china, was a dark theocracy, where all resources belonged to the rich and the clergy (sounds familiar? very much middleages europe) and the rest ware basically serfs. not a very peace loving nation, far removed from the image we tned to have of it in the west. factions of the "buddhist" church would kill one another for their "version" of buddhism. Torture was used as a form of oppression and punishment. like everything else, the history of the occupation by china is complicated.
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But the Cheney crew were actually naive enough to believe that the Iraqi people would immediately take to a tolerant, multi-ethnic democracy, and classic liberalism would sweep through the Middle East.
Sorry, i dont buy it. I just dont believe they are that stupid. The 'incompetence' theory just doesnt make sense at all.
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let me add, if there is one thing that the Cheney group sure is NOT, then that is being 'naive'.
It seems to me that the people who still believe in some 'right' reason behind this war , or in the 'incompetence' of the gouvernment as the crux of it all , are just that.
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