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the end of big hardware consoles?

StoreTags: emulation, dsp, liquid-mix

Author: yghartsyrt on July 23 2006

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--> this little thing is amazing. it uses some sort of convolution to mimic the sound of all the great eq and compressors. and i mean nearly every little thing.
as far, as i heard, it sounds amazing.
and it only costs only a fractin of one original piece. it's like 800$.
i'm really thinking about getting this machine.
it's called focusrite liquid-mix.

i really like the idea.
and it's at least par with a smal uad card. price-wise.

wtf.
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07/23/06 + kidko

Hmm, looks pretty sexci

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07/23/06 + filarion

I read on gearslutz that the eq is not sweepable because it uses convolution models - do you know if that's correct?

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edited: Jul 23 2006 + cbit

Liquid Mix uses the same patented Dynamic Convolution process as Focusrite’s Liquid Channel. Unlike standard convolution techniques, Dynamic Convolution utilizes vast processing power to sample the effect of a classic processor on a series of audio pulses, at many different gain settings and frequencies. In Liquid Mix, all this processing is done using onboard DSP, so the processing has almost no effect on your computer’s own CPU.

this sounds like it might be sweepableable.. i dunno? (edit: soz just spouting off)

.. i did read in a couple of places that the eq's and compressors in the liquid mix don't sound very much like the ones they are imitating. but if they still sound good then that's not necessarily a problem.

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07/23/06 + quip

mmm. i am still not so sure about all this digital compression stuff. i think if you want the sound of the analogue hardware, you are gonna have to pay for it. I think they can get close but in an optical compressor for instance there is a "sound" and behaviour that comes from attenuating a signal using light. to model that must take shit loads of processing, which focusrite have probably put in. i would love to hear these against the orginals.

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07/23/06 + bodo

there's a huge video (180 Mb) by dancetech about the Liquid Mix.
download via filefactory services

does look pretty good, and about half the price of the SSL Duende which does look pretty hot as well

07/24/06 + yghartsyrt

PAWEL said: "it seems cool but is it overkill. why don't you want a few more boxes around they look cool when performing"

because 800 $ for many machines and lots of more money for at least one analogue machine....

dunno if they are sweepable. but one thing i like, is that you might be able to combine different settings from different eqs into one.
sounds interesting to me.
soundwise.
dunno, if the old machines sound different. maybe some people spot a difference. i'm not sure if i would. maybe the whole difference spotting is lot more psychological, than everyboy dares to admit

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07/24/06 + quip

i think you are right. having lots of old gear around me somehow gives me confidence or i hope some kind of magic will rub off on me. As i use one of the oldest analogue devices in the book though (the guitar) I think my signal path takes its lead from that. Although I do find it increasingly hard to tell the difference between amp modellers and real amps I can still tell. I think there IS something psychological and physical about having a large amp in the room vibrating all the air around you and making your hair stand on end. You do need the phisical and psychological aspects of sound creation. Having a large rack compressor with all the cooker knobs on it kicking out hot air from the valves does somehow give confidence, even if the sound is practically the same.

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07/24/06 + bleen

working on a bigass 30 year old console and then working in logic or protools is a great way to hear the difference. not that one or the other is necessarily better or worse, but yes, there's a difference in sound to be sure.

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07/24/06 + jdg

i think one of the big differences in "hardporn" vs "softporn" is that the way the operator has to interact with the equipment.

u just make difference choices and decisions when mixing wiht a mouse, then mixing with faders.

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07/24/06 + emulsion

I've never mixed with anything but a mouse - and I don't have much experience with old/analogue hardware - and honestly in the sort of room I'm working in, the idea or trying to mix with actual hardware just seems like an expensive nightmare - so I would love to play with a unit like this (or preferably the ssl one) but I would like to hear how "authentic" it is - I'm afraid every model will have the same basic tone regardless of which eq or compressor it is imitating.

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07/25/06 + hello6am

we had a focusrite training session the other day, and the bloke brought a liquidmix.

as far as I'm aware you can sweep the EQ, you can combine parts of EQs from other units to make super EQs, you can choose to be allowed only the controls available on the original units - or you can allow yourself complete control. the session was early in the morning though, so I could be wrong on all counts. as far as the sounds concerned...I really don't know. i feel like a hypocrite for saying it (loving certain analogue stuff) but I'm not sure about how a different type of EQ affects the sound differently. in a mix, does it make that much difference? saying that though, I've been using the waves EQ lately and it's far far better than the ableton one. so I probably just need to sit down with liquidmix with some time to get to hear it properly.

there is a little bit of latency when the unit is applied to a channel, so its best to use it at the final mastering stage.

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07/25/06 + rrooyyccee

bombfactory has always amazed me. the closest i've heard yet to hardware. haven't heard this thought. it looks interesting, focusrite has never blown me away but i agree the price seems incredible.

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07/25/06 + rrooyyccee

urp. i take that back about the price. one always forgets to factor in the effect of changing o.s.
what happens a decade from now when windows xp and vista are worthless?
will focusrite continue to support this? probably not.

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08/16/06 + Spark

if you've ever hear an LA2A compressor next to like, a behringer, or a digital one. .your perception of what constitutes "compression" will change immediately.

Like "compressors" cheap analog and digital variety, kinda adjust the volume.. but Expensive, analog "Signal Levelers", seem to stabalize the signal, their compression effects can't be heard.

I'm skeptical that any 800 dollar box can replicate the sound of Neve Eq's. Or an LA2A compressor.

The focusrite probably has it's own good sound, though I hate this "Emulator" craze that everyone is on. Just make it it's own thing.

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08/16/06 + Spark

Spark said: "if you've ever hear an LA2A compressor next to like, a behringer, or a digital one. .your perception of what constitutes "compression" will change immediately.

Like "compressors" cheap analog and digital variety, kinda adjust the volume.. but Expensive, analog "Signal Levelers", seem to stabalize the signal, their compression effects can't be heard.

I'm skeptical that any 800 dollar box can replicate the sound of Neve Eq's. Or an LA2A compressor.

The focusrite probably has it's own good sound, though I hate this "Emulator" craze that everyone is on. Just make it it's own thing. Asses emulating vaginas and all that.. "

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