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I am afraid that electronic music is appreciated more in rot
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Welp,
I have to be honest, actually I don't, but it seems to work out the best when I am. I had a great conversation with a friend that hoped to solve the problem of why I go to a party. I happen to wonder why anyone goes to a party that costs money, is full of strangers, gets nasty fucked up, and goes home feeling one night short. As a musician, I expect some standards on a musical level, but not exactly the standard that is the norm of keepin a beat and that booty shakin. Ok, so that sounds a bit pretentious, but I do enjoy dancing, I do enjoy parties, I do enjoy drinks to indulge. Of course its important to establish a connection to the crowd. I went to the Sullivan Room last night, got toasted, big party, fuller than when I've been in the past, and a pretty good vibe too actually. So I don't remember the music. Truely, I don't know what the hell was played. I didn't even pay attention to it. I love that people actaully dance in New York. I used to be too embarassed to dance. Why don't I know what was played? How come everyone in the place doesn't care about who performed? Or did they? Perform? Getting to basics, I promote, create, and perform music. Thus I am a musician, and have that need to be original and true to my overly influenced inflated idea of what is actually important. I feel more comfortable knowing that most people think something is important too. I love(like) music(electronic). I love and hate how electronic music is perceived, created, and enjoyed. I some times feel too progressed, and I some times feel pigeon holed, and I some times feel in the right spot, and some times I feel like that spot is so far off. If the Beatles made electronic music? Would it still be good music? And would you rather see them play it on stage? or have some one play a tape of them for you? Would you like to party all the time? I am afraid that electronic music is appreciated more in rotation than in show. So maybe I'll continue to do electronic music and think it's important that it is shown in what I think is its fuller potential, or maybe I'll get new drum heads and start an awesome band, electornic music can't touch that! But then again what is electronic music?
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08/11/08
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monkvolcano
woa.. get out of my head.
performing electronic music is weird. i guess i'll have some epiphany one day and all of a sudden realize why i do live shows, or how i want to do them instead. but until then i'm going to be somewhere between slightly and mostly confused about the whole thing.
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yghartsyrt
i just don't care some much about performance. that solves the problem.
thing is with clubbing. you don't go out clubbing to listen to music. you go out for getting laid and getting wasted. going to a gig, would be a place, where you probably remember more stuff.
my two cents.
but i guess i got you totally wrong, because i haven't slept that much and the caffeine hasn't started to kick in.
08/11/08
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papergoose
it was interesting to read your thoughts.
I'd love to see the beatles do electronic music, but I'd rather see them play the white album than to sit behind a laptop and twiddle.
I think electronic music is moving out of the "esoteric" stage, and slowly being integrated into "music" as a whole, what with the availability of computers and software tools. This is a good and bad thing, I guess. Good, as it broadens the scope of what we can do with electronic music integrated into other forms of performance, into bands, etc, and bad because it takes some of the focus away from the constant innovation and forward movement (read: fucked up sounds to fuck with your perception_ that has been such an important part of EM since it's beginnings.
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hardvoltnine
yghartsyrt said: " you don't go out clubbing to listen to music.
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Maybe not the intention, but I think its possibly the most important decor of a club.
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yghartsyrt
of course, but it's so replaceable. it just serves as a background to gather people. and it serves as a first selection which sort of people will come together.
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DerryGodo
yghartsyrt said: "of course, but it's so replaceable. it just serves as a background to gather people. and it serves as a first selection which sort of people will come together."
a perfect way to put it!
08/11/08
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quip
i play gigs behind a laptop, with guitars and also as a band.
as a band people listen generally more. i think this is the visual thing of watching
people bang instrument. but i played a gig on friday in a chill out tent at a festival
and lots of people were listening i think, surprisingly.
what yghartsyrt said about clubbing is true. people want a soundtrack to their night
i think, i have a friend who makes electronic music but hates clubs.
which is nice.
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cbit
yghartsyrt said: "of course, but it's so replaceable. it just serves as a background to gather people. and it serves as a first selection which sort of people will come together."
+1 for succinct description of the role of electronic music in clubs (often).
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RogerRoger
I used to sneak off to clubs with friends in Houston when I was 16. This was in 1989. I remember the motivation to go was two reasons: 1) Get exposed to the club music(ie. actually listen to the music to know which records to buy) and 2) sit on the club's main bass enclosure where all the bass was. I would often go up and ask the DJ to show me the jacket of whatever record he was playing, which often pissed them off.
So yeah, only the weird,sad,dull people like me are probably listening in clubs. Also, at least two of the Beatles have done electronic music: link link
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Leo
Most of the shows I've been to, electronic or not, I attended sober. Admittedly, I got pretty out of my head at the last Jamie Lidell show I went to, but I still remember everything, and had a great time, aside from shaking my girlfriend to the point of excitement and nearly giving her whiplash. I remembered enough to look up one of the openers, Snax, and was happy I did. Still, even at my worst, I'm pretty coherent. I think the key here is: All things in moderation. If you're going to the party/club to listen, don't get too sloshed. Cut yourself off at three or four drinks. You'll be nicely lubricated socially, but still coherent enough to enjoy the show, chat with the ladies comfortably, and make it to the right home at the end of the night (be that yours or hers). The best show I've seen, I was completely sober. I chatted with some really strange women, secretly recorded the show, went to an after-hours, and ultimately slept at a strangers house (all completely sober). Woke the next morning still feeling good from the show. I've also been to shows where a few drinks will relax me enough to dance, chat, and not be generally and inexplicably miserable. Again, moderation is key.
08/11/08
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hardvoltnine
moderation is key for a moderate lock.
RogerRoger said: "Also, at least two of the Beatles have done electronic music: link link"
Nice, I'm gonna look for some sound clips of it.
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jenshap
Theres nothing like a packed dance floor in NYC, especially with a good DJ. Travel a bit north and you end up dancing with yourself and feeling the need to get trashed to have a good time. (yuk) Yay for the city that never sleeps. Drinking ain't all that. When something really hits you the right way your brain produces chemicals of euphoria and drugs become obsolete.
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djugel
I miss real dance floors... where you had to have "guts" to go out there.. Haven't felt that pressure in over ten years. I miss it! I got skills!
08/11/08
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nagrom
I like going to clubs. I get drunk and I dance. I listen to the music, but in a different way. I listen by feeling. Listening and dancing blend into one sensory mode. It is like meditating. Usually I don't remember much of the music afterward.
I miss what djugel is talking about even though I've never experienced it. I feel like when I'm dancing I'm in a nostalgic rave-mode. I want to open my eyes wide, feel the soft hands of others, unity. Or I want it to be 'fascist' as djugel has also said. Like going to war. Pressure. Transcendent.
Nobody goes to the club to "feel" anymore. People go to the club to _not feel_. To find girls and fuck. To appear normal. To wear cool clothes and bask in conformity. To be "dividuals". This is kinda fun, but it is not transcendent. It is not music.
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electrodan
lol... "dividuals"
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