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Author: Fredo on September 13 2008
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wow, this is perhaps the first american main stream media piece I've seen that portrays mccain as the bad guy and obama as the good guy.

unfortunately, americans don't vote on issues. look at the last guy they voted in. twice. after the second time i gave up on america and left the coutrny. you guys are screwed up.

I'm inclined to agree, eyesnine, except that all my friends did not vote in Bush. Nobody I know voted for him. So please don't generalize.

adcBicycle said: "wow, this is perhaps the first american main stream media piece I've seen that portrays mccain as the bad guy and obama as the good guy."


huh? i dont watch any major channels accept for the late show on accosions. And they always make fun of mccain's ass etc

@ Fredo: They are ALL politicians...They say what general public wants to hear, or they wont get elected. So its hard not to generalize, and in fact not rational.

most of the people i knew didn't vote bush either. its confusing... i was living on cape cod though.

here's what i think the problem is:

in canada, we have this party called the NDP, the New Democrat Party. We also have the Bloc Quebecois, and the Reform parties.
then there's the two major parties, the liberals and the conservatives. the liberal and conservative parties are both heavily funded by corporations. essentially, they have a pro corporate platform. none of the other parties have major corporate financing. i saw some numbers saying that 60% of the funding for the big two parties are corporate, compared with less than 5% for the other three. these 3 smaller parties have a major effect on policy making in canada, they control a decent amount of the house of parliament.

in america, you've got two parties. both are pro corporate. both represent the wealthy classes. democrats represent the upper middle class, and republicans represent the wealthy class. neither party has any solution to the problem that the average american's standard of living has been decreasing for the last thirty years. neither party is willing to recognize that the gap between the haves and have nots has been increasing over that time period. neither party is pro union. neither party is pro worker. neither party is willing to close loopholes that allow exploitation of minimum wage workers. worker's rights have been constantly eroded over the last thirty years because both parties are in favor of it. its like coke vs pepsi, or energizer vs duracell. there are more than 2 brands of cola, more than 2 brands of battery. but by creating the illusion that the two parties are at odds with each other, and hyping up that competition, the strategy succeeds in obscuring other options.

when i was working as an assistant manager in a movie theatre on cape cod, a bipartisan "pro worker" bill was passed that increased the benefits for people working as full time managers. the part that wasn't publicized, is that the definition of what a manager was, was changed so that most people actively working as managers were no longer considered as such. my boss called me into his office two days after the bill was passed and told me i was no longer an "assistant manager". he said if anyone asked i was now considered "an associate". i had exactly the same job description, which included overseeing the operation of the theatre, (single handedly, with no superiors there, usually), handling all the cash, deposits to the banks, supervision of staff, etc. sounds like a manager to me! the thing that really bugged me was that they were waiting for this bill to be passed. the people working at Regal Entertainment corporate headquarters knew full well what the bill was really all about, and they were ready and waiting for it.

in summary, vote nader. or ron paul. or anyone that isn't corportate sponsored. obama has no answer to the problem of worker exploitation, neither does mccain. neither of them are willing to recognize that its a problem.

Or, one could not waste their vote on an un-electable third party candidate. Worker exploitation is somewhere down the list for me, sorry to say. More interested in if they are likely to continue to bankrupt our economy at the current rate, start new wars or continue current conflicts indefinitely, and have a diplomatic tendency. And most importantly, be electable.

The two issues are related. You cannot be a first world country and treat your citizens like garbage. No other rich western country in the world has a government as corrupt and exploitative as the USA. The power of a country lies in its citizens. If you have a healthy, well educated, productive citizenry, you will be a world leader. If not, well don't expect the foreign investment dollars to pour in, because everyone else in the world thinks that way. Which is the real cause of the US economic downturn. Lack of foreign investment.

There was a time when the USA was one of the most progressive countries in the world. That time is long gone, and the country seems intent on becoming a third world country. The signs are there: over the top nationalism and religious fundamentalism are the symptoms of a sick national mentality. Sometime in the past ten years is when we passed the line that historians will draw and say "THIS was the end of the American empire." I wouldn't plan on things getting much better in the near future. There are now other, larger consumer economies, with more upside, to invest in. I hope you enjoyed the ride, because its over now. America is sliding back into the place it held in world opinion at the beginning of the 20th century.

Wether I want to admit it or not, both parties operate for the same end-goal. The end-goal is to ensure the consumer privilage and buying hegemony of a few multinational companies.

Obama is not so tied into this financial machine. Throughout history, those who have recieved less influence from the core constituents in the world financial model, they receive the most obsurd and obscure retaliations...

Americans must realise this for what it is... A diversion.

A diversion to the fact that America is about to loose Buying power in the world oil market. When we loose it (2009- ish) China will become the world hegemonic financial power. When it does, it will have already purchased alot of American companies... It is buying up NYC very quickly. Look it up.

The World Bank is quietly trying (Along with rather public meetings like the Tri Lateral Commission) to set up the infrastructure for a consolidated consumer/national model for the North American Continent. The NAU ("NO U!!!!!") This is the West's response to China's buying power.

hasnt anyone thought that based on the extreme dumbing of our people, the vast failures of our school systems, the totally single-minded energy model, and now the desperate cries of a two party system that in reality has the political scope of a noontime soap opera with the "Issues" whitewashed by Rhetoric and keywords followed by soundbytes found on wickipedia.

The Veterans of this country are treated like absolute swill... We have de-constructed the VA system. It has not really adapted to its level of funding. VA benifits were hacked i believe 3 times before the runup to the patriot act. Everyone in america supported it vastly on both sides. WE ARE ABSOLUTELY ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN! No one is really without some party to this. Including myself.

Go with the candidate you feel isnt a total lush. Thats all I can say.
oh, and eyesnine, we arent sinking back into the position held at the turn of the 20th century.... We literally ignored the binding world treaties that WE ( AMERICA ) Put to the floor of the UN in 1949.

We enacted a War of Agression against another soverign country... Without opposition from the other world powers and with no viable evidence other than the will of the people to back us. Thats like dad, murdering your cousin in front of you and you dont act even a little freaked out.

These are end-games. We have sent a ripple through the country that has left our constitution in ruins and our very own international treaties betrayed. And we arent even mad about it... Most people I talk to say "We SHOULD be breaking the geneva convention. Look at how they treat our soldiers."

So. apparently throwing gas on the fire... this is our international policy? no... Its a false flag op done in plain sight to de-stabilize a (bathist yes, I know.... terrible) growing nation that had stabilized a civil conflict that in any other political environment would equal civil war. Iraq had very little terrorist activity before we got into this conflict.

Why arent our leaders behind bars? Easy answer, we let them run free.

We obviously want them to not be liable for those actions. Because we saw the brutal tasing and re-tasing of college students that talk? Using their voice to ask questions?

The enabling act has now taken away your voice. In a few years, the Enabling act and a few other acts will effectively enact a functioning police state. Some argue that we are already there... I think its going to organize a bit more. Maybe Obama will end it.. Who knows...

This is the boldest de-stabilization effort: The American Individual. Destabilize his/her confidence. Make him/her desperate to approove any change needed to consolidate consumer efficiency and synchronisity with the will of the state.

lets see what happens next shall we? I really want to be wrong about this!

Again, the party's cant do anything if the public does not like it, or they wont get elected. The people get what the gorvenment they deserve. The avarage American does not take the time or interest to invest in knowing about their polotics and trust the major media as reliable source for casting their vote. It sounds harsh but its the truth of a democracy. It doesnt matter that large corporations are fuelling the campaigns, nothing in this world is fair, and like churchil said "democracy is the least bad option for running a govenment"

In the end the people will need to revolt,but they dont.

As China is concerned, their econmic infrastrucure does not allow a role of being the world new hegemonic financial power. If the US credit Buble bursts (and it will) China loses a lot. They invest (like Japan) in the US, for they need the orders to make cheap products for the west. A econmic super power can not survive as long as it is making cheap products for the western countries (which would be ex-econmic powers if china was to take over this role) They would not be able to sell anything. And dont forget, chinese conmpany's are copy cats, they can buy a company but they can't buy a ecomic infrastructure nor can they educate millions of "farmers" who cant read.

In perspective: the us 2 party system sucks, but hey, Hu Jintao is a one man menace, and after posting this, chinese wont be able to read this

and fuck this edit button em411

yeah dood, seriously

fantoom, yeah there is a massive dependancy between the service and consumer industries and the hermetically isolated factory and manufacturing Eastern world.

"democracy is the least bad option for running a govenment"
But we have murdered well over 15,000,000 to get it this well segregated. We did alot to build this dependancy . Some say that this behavior is a relec of empire. I would agree. But I would remove the "relic".We are talking about Empire. Does Empire ultimately make decisions based on the financial welfare of the people?

I hope so.

The question you've always got to ask yourself whenever a discussion comes up about "the economy", is WHO'S economy are we talking about? If the economy grows, but standard of living falls, what exactly is the point of having a strong economy? This has been the situation for the last thirty years! Why do people care about the economy if it hasn't done a damn thing for them in over 3 decades?!?!?

The REAL question here is, what EXACTLY does it matter if the economy is in total ruins? If the country is able to produce everything it needs, it really DOESN"T MATTER how the economy is doing, EXCEPT to those people who are in the equities market.

Call me anti globalization or whatever, but I live in a country with more resources than we know what to do with. You want to know what I think the smartest policy for Canada is? Insanely high tariffs! Instead of hawking off our material wealth in exchange for cheap labour (which undermines our own labour market), let's close our borders to trade. We're self sufficient, dammit! So the canadian dollar isn't worth anything outside of canada anymore. who cares? i'm not in the equities market, are YOU?

I really hope Canada unites around an idea like that.

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