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Probably no God: buses in london
Author: cbit on October 23 2008 Viewed 2219 times. 22 people liked this blog. You can rate it below if you haven't already.
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With your help, we can brighten people's days on the way to work, help raise awareness of atheism in the UK, and hopefully encourage more people to come out as atheists. We can also counter the religious adverts which are currently running on London buses, and help people think for themselves.
As Richard Dawkins says: "This campaign to put alternative slogans on London buses will make people think - and thinking is anathema to religion."
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10/23/08
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bodo
I like the slogan, doesn't seem offensive, just honest and in good fun 
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MatthewCosta
stop worrying and enjoy your life
cool
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yghartsyrt
ha. that's quite a funny ad.
and as much as i want religion to end playing a role in anybodies live. i think starting a campeign for atheism, is quite the opposite of what shall be done. it's making advertisment for something that feels at least a bit like another cult. (there's quite an interesting paragraph in the dialectics of englightment from adrono/horkheimer. about that)
with all the dawkins-readings i still have the feeling, that there's this underlying thing of substituting science for religion. but from my point of view there shall be no substitue, just an end to religion, especially science can merely work as a substitute. although i can see, how that ad makes sense, if there are religious ads on busses at the moment.
i don't really see the point in
said: "help raise awareness of atheism in the UK, and hopefully encourage more people to come out as atheists"
i think aethism is not a supressed or opressed state of mind in western civilization. the religious side just needs more criticism.
10/23/08
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cbit
hi yghrt
"i think aethism is not a supressed or opressed state of mind in western civilization. the religious side just needs more criticism."
I think that in some ways it is, in the sense that it has not yet reached the level of acceptance that religious view currently enjoy. In the UK religious point of view are privileged for the simple fact of being religious (tax breaks, government funding of faith schools, widescale censorship of opposing views in the name of 'preventing offense' etc, etc).
Also: The influence of religious ideas in the UK is vastly out of balance with the actual number of people in the UK who are religious.
yghartsyrt said: "
i don't really see the point in
cbit said: "help raise awareness of atheism in the UK, and hopefully encourage more people to come out as atheists" "
I'm surprised. If you oppose religion, what's not to get?
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yghartsyrt
ok. maybe my perspective was just a bit too narrow, as i was viewing it from my experiences in germany and sort of blindolded how it might be in other countries. and to be honest i only have slight ideas what a role religion plays in other countries.
the paragraph with don't see the point in...
i was refering to the encouraging people to come out as aetheists. maybe my choice of words was a little off. i was a little puzzled, that it sounded, that aetheists were something like homosexual beings, that *come out*.
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ejectorset
cbit said: "In the UK religious point of view are privileged for the simple fact of being religious (tax breaks, government funding of faith schools, widescale censorship of opposing views in the name of 'preventing offense' etc, etc)."
but if atheism is kind of the "anti-religion, you are all stupid for believing in such things" thing that it seems to be from my experience with it, (mainly from that ask atheists site), you can't really be upset people don't see it as a religion and treat it as such. right?
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cbit
Your wording seems muddled, i'm not sure what you're asking.
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ejectorset
i wasn't asking anything. i was trying to point out that you sound upset that atheism doesn't get any of those privileges that religious points of view get, just because they are religious.
if so, that seemed silly/ironic, since it isn't a religion and by definition can't be one.
maybe that isn't what you meant, but i can't see why you brought up the privileges then.
or at the very least, maybe you feel it should have the same level of acceptance as religions are given. i can understand you feeling that way.
the coming out bit seemed weird to me too. are lots of atheists gay? i ask because i can see where in most religions homo-sexuality isn't really embraced.
10/23/08
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cbit
ygh "i was a little puzzled, that it sounded, that aetheists were something like homosexual beings, that *come out*"
I think this is more relevant in the US, but i think even in the UK some people may be reluctant to describe themselves in this way (even though it may be accurate), because of the negative perception that the word still carries. To allude to the gay thing again, this campaign, and similar ones are a bit of an 'atheist pride' kind of thing imo.
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cbit
ejectorset said: "i wasn't asking anything. i was trying to point out that you sound upset that atheism doesn't get any of those privileges that religious points of view get, just because they are religious. "
I don't want those privileges for atheists too, i want a properly secular society without any special privileges for any ideological grouping.
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delete
i'd be 100% for it if it wrote "it is equally probable that there is god and that there is no god. search for your own answer, stop worrying and enjoy your life".
otherwise it's "probably" (used in the same sense as in the slogan) the same form of propaganda churches do.
10/23/08
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cbit
Sure its propaganda. But: you're wrong about the 50/50 thing. I think you're making a common mistake; the fact that the answer to a question cannot be known for certain doesn't put either alternative on an equal footing. Check: "You can't be completely certain that there are no elves in that forest, so the likelihood that there are is 50%". That's not right.
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delete
the difference is that we (as in mankind) have experience in the "elves in forest" field, so a probability distribution can be estimated using that experience. there is no specific data that can produce such an estimate in the "god - no god" case.
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note that what i'm saying is based on the Kolmogorov definition of probability ( link ), since it's the only objective way to have a 'common denominator' when talking about what is probable and what is not and ways to estimate how probable something is.
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cbit
delete said: "the difference is that we (as in mankind) have experience in the "elves in forest" field, so a probability distribution can be estimated using that experience. there is no specific data that can produce such an estimate in the "god - no god" case."
Fair enough. If i asked you about your position on the existence of an eternal, non material tractor, (that was 'outside of' our universe in some sense) would you answer that the likelihood of such a thing was 50%?
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