Chordal Nectar Dripping and Somewhat Sticky
StoreTags: subjective art, music, theory, honey
Author: F7Sharp11 on September 16 2006
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--> Because chords are about feeling, color, shape, smell, taste, and any other possible way of sensation, I have decided to begin a dive back into my music theory text books, and lessons from the past.

There are many ways to experience music, and more specifically to experience harmonic content. I have a fascination with chords, harmonies, and particularly the combination of notes. I swear that chords are more than you can hear. Hopefully I am not completely insane, and others may begin to, if they haven't already, understand and relate to what I am talking about.

It is by publishing here that I hope to maximize the experience, and share what I learn.....or what I think I learn. Most important about my discovery will be the notion that "Music Theory" is neither truth nor fact, but an abstract and subjective discipline. There is not "Music Truth", only Theory, and this makes music an "Art".

Now I hope that things get "Sticky" here, with reference to discussion, and perhaps even some constructive debate. The opinionated nature of the topic at hand, should make way for some disagreement. Just remember that there is no right answer for any set problem set, at I think not in the arts. For this reason, art remains completely personal, varying the impact that it may have from soul to soul.

I really stand behind this idea, and although it may not be what you think or cherish as an important rule to remember, but it simply involves being open to differences in perception and sensation amongs others.
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"Chords are more than you can hear".

What do you mean exactly? The experience of a chord obviously doesn't finish at an elementary aural datum (unless you're astroid).

i agree with you on the theory bit. but also, i think the ultimate end to artistic theory is to destroy itself.

i wish i had some good examples of the ratio tuning i'm working with. the major chords and d7s and everything else sound so good that it becomes a kind of mathematical proof. unfortunately, all i have are a bunch of failed sketches because it's a whole other world and i'm no bach.

hmmm. bach is dead. if he were a god, he would still be alive. ;)

don't get discouraged, astroid, this is how people learn. you have already entered a doorway too few of us cross, and i'm glad to see it happening. just keep digging and you'll strike gold.

yes astroid, forgets all that theory knowlege and just keep experimenting.

i think eventually you will find your own rules for the ratio sysyem, and then, you can share those secrets with me. and only me. think how cool that would be.

haha it'll be like the cocacola formula.

astroid said: "i wish i had some good examples of the ratio tuning i'm working with. the major chords and d7s and everything else sound so good that it becomes a kind of mathematical proof.

Why not tell me some more about your "ratio tuning: if you will Astroid. I am certainly interested in such a synthesis of music based upon a formula, as it reminds me of the composer Arnold Schoenberg, who as you may know, developed a method for composition that involved the idea"Serialism", and a twelve tone technique. His method that he detailed out in many essays, was basically the use of all 12 chromatic tones within an octave (C1 to C2 for example). Each tone was to be used before re-using another tone within the pool of notes. There is more to the concept, but in this is a brief explanation of "twelve tone technique" as I gather.

But don't get yourself all "fruit loops" about this now, for it seems that Schoenberg was not to limit himself as a 'Sole Serialist'......and
Schoenberg said: "In the last few years I have been questioned as to whether certain of my compositions are "pure" twelve-tone, or twelve-tone at all. The fact is that I do not know. I am still more a composer than a theorist. When I compose, I try to forget all theories and I continue composing...."
For me this kind of approach to music comp. is much more progressive than the approach that Bach may have taken. Thank heavens for progressives like Schoenberg, because Bach really doesn't do that much for me anymore. After 7 years of classical music theory study and application, I thirst for more complexity and inovation in harmony, and by remaining open and humbled as a musician and listener, I constantly wet myself.........(not like that) with new revelations about the evolution of music composition. I may only hope that my Evolution is half as unique as Arnold Schoenberg's experience.........but will always strive to maintain his high level of Modesty, with respect to other musicians.
In his words (sourced from: Website: Arnold Schoenberg: My Evolution)
[quote]"...I renounced a tonal centre – a procedure incorrectly called "atonality".""

This man had some Balls but wasn't arrogant, and conceited, his manners should perhaps be followed by other musicians.
astroid said: "unfortunately, all i have are a bunch of failed sketches because it's a whole other world and i'm no bach."
I wonder about the tone behind this comment. Are you truly wishing that you were Bach? Wouldn't you rather be like Schoenberg? I know that I would!!

astroid said: "i wish i had some good examples of the ratio tuning i'm working with. the major chords and d7s and everything else sound so good that it becomes a kind of mathematical proof.



Why not tell me some more about your "ratio tuning: if you will Astroid. I am certainly interested in such a synthesis of music based upon a formula, as it reminds me of the composer Arnold Schoenberg, who as you may know, developed a method for composition that involved the idea"Serialism", and a twelve tone technique. His method that he detailed out in many essays, was basically the use of all 12 chromatic tones within an octave (C1 to C2 for example). Each tone was to be used before re-using another tone within the pool of notes. There is more to the concept, but in this is a brief explanation of "twelve tone technique" as I gather.

But don't get yourself all "fruit loops" about this now, for it seems that Schoenberg was not to limit himself as a 'Sole Serialist'......and
Schoenberg said: "In the last few years I have been questioned as to whether certain of my compositions are "pure" twelve-tone, or twelve-tone at all. The fact is that I do not know. I am still more a composer than a theorist. When I compose, I try to forget all theories and I continue composing...."
For me this kind of approach to music comp. is much more progressive than the approach that Bach may have taken. Thank heavens for progressives like Schoenberg, because Bach really doesn't do that much for me anymore. After 7 years of classical music theory study and application, I thirst for more complexity and inovation in harmony, and by remaining open and humbled as a musician and listener, I constantly wet myself.........(not like that) with new revelations about the evolution of music composition. I may only hope that my Evolution is half as unique as Arnold Schoenberg's experience.........but will always strive to maintain his high level of Modesty, with respect to other musicians.
In his words (sourced from: Website: Arnold Schoenberg: My Evolution)
[quote]"...I renounced a tonal centre – a procedure incorrectly called "atonality".""

This man had some Balls but wasn't arrogant, and conceited, his manners should perhaps be followed by other musicians.
astroid said: "unfortunately, all i have are a bunch of failed sketches because it's a whole other world and i'm no bach."
I wonder about the tone behind this comment. Are you truly wishing that you were Bach? Wouldn't you rather be like Schoenberg? I know that I would!!

i'd rather be bach. schonenberg compared to bach is a fucking looser.

not to disrespect schonenberg. it's really overwhelming what he did. but bach...pure bliss

edited out, sorry... not on topic.
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