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07/08/08
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yekker
i was just wondering how most people use their machinedrums..: sample it (breaks), run a few midi tracks through it to control the drums (one midi channel? how many?) errr or record the audio while you play along with it to the tracks you already have?
i'm guessing the latter as it seems to be really effective for jamming. thanks alot, also, is the new version with sample playback worth it?
cheers guys.
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daswesen
i use it mostly to play live, when arranging songs (which i'm learning to do at the moment), I take bits of jams (using the 6 channels out) and base my song on that, also i use individual sounds out of the MD.
the UW version is definitely definitely definitely worth it.
07/08/08
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RRine
i sample MD patterns while tweaking them in ableton live. So I'll make quite a few 4-8 measure loops of the md getting kicked, squashed and then a normal dry version. I love the way the sounds mix together. I still haven't tried song mode yet, which I intend to eventually....
07/08/08
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djugel
What makes the UW worth it? The re-sampling aspect?
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daswesen
definitely, resampling is ueberfun, and all the sonic possibilities that are available when working on samples. I couldn't live without it, on the other hand I've never tried to work without UW, so maybe I'm just a bit spoiled.
07/08/08
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sweettrip
so far i just make a bunch of patterns and then assemble them as songs. record the song from there to Live.
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elronhubbard
can you send your old machinedrum off to get retrofitted with the new UW feature?
that shit always confused me, because id like to upgrade if i can.
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elronhubbard
djugel said: "What makes the UW worth it? The re-sampling aspect?"
it definitely aint the sample memory.
i would have to say the resamplng is a major aspect, because you can twek your patterns as a waveform and do crazy stuff wth it.
edited: Jul 09 2008
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djugel
I found I enjoyed using an old akai s-series alongside the MD better than the UW... but I wasn't doing any resampling.. unless I was resampling the MD into the Akai just so it didn't sound so Elektron.
The last I remember doing on that thing was making a bunch of small patterns, like 1 - 4 steps long, all with different kits.. and then chaining them. Sounded very messed up, because it gets a little wacky when it switches kits.. it was fun to embrace and explore that.
07/09/08
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daswesen
If you're looking at the UW like at a traditional sampler, you'll be disappointed. There's no real way to work precisely with the samples, you don't have a lot of memory, etc... But then the possibilities of tweaking and paramlocking sample tweakery is just amazing. You can coerce a real huge load of sounds out of it. I think I reduced my sample usage to just like 5-6 samples I now know really really well. 2 chords, 2 basses, 2 vocal samples is all I use in a like 3 hour set (+ the machinedrum stuff itself naturally).
edited: Jul 22 2008
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jsrockit
djugel said: "What makes the UW worth it? The re-sampling aspect?"
Parameter locks coupled with the LFOs, bit and sample rate reduction, pithc, filters, delays, pans, reversal of samples at the turn of a knob, truncating samples at the turn of a a knob, etc... allowing for totally different sounds on each step...and allowing you to chop, twist, and fuck up any sound in a way that an MPC or recycle could never allow. You can make 10 totally different songs with one sample.
07/22/08
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daswesen
i've used the same 10 samples (not even very good ones) for over a year now and am not tired of them  Even track I posted here since summer of 2007 is the same 10 samples.
07/23/08
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hardvoltnine
lol, yeah, I don't change my samples much, and when I do, it's alway difficult to decide which one is to be deleted in it's place.
I use my machine drum in a line up of ea-1, er-1, ms2000r, sp-303 and Kp2. They're all time sync's and I create songs for live use, kind of using the idea of a riff or a groove to build each part out on each machine. the Midi machines in the MD control my MS2000r and some times I send out to the EA-1. I just realized while typing this that I can also send out to the ER-1 and modulate the pitch to hit of any of the drum parts, sweet!! I use the resampling mainly to accompany my sp-303, like when a sample I'm using in a song gets tired, I sample it in to the MD to be a rhythmic cut of that source. I use most of the other "machines" for rhytm and sometimes a little melody and their parameters rarely get changed on stage, although I have been loving the "CTRL-AL" machine lately, and reloading the kit on the "drop the fat beat" part.
07/23/08
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sweettrip
i only have 505 and 707 samples on my MDUW, coz i luv those two machines... i don't think i'm using the UW features to it's full potential yet. well, maybe the resampling part.
08/04/08
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jsrockit
sweettrip said: "i only have 505 and 707 samples on my MDUW, coz i luv those two machines... i don't think i'm using the UW features to it's full potential yet. well, maybe the resampling part."
Man, you could have bought yourself a real 505 and 707 and saved yourself alot of cash!!! Just kidding...I use 505 and 707 snares in my MD as well at times.
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