Electronic Music 411 - timbaland addresses demo controversy

Please excuse me. im am currently on my 3rd botle of Leffe [plus Im currently working ridiculous hours so Im so overtired its so not funny]. Im at the stage where if you disagree with me in the slightest I will skin you and then eat you.

When I have 4, I dont bother to skin you.

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02/09/07 + SenorFrio

The interviewer should work for Fox News. He totally has that kiss-ass-soft-ball-throwing-interview-style down!
BTW, can someone give me some ProTools??

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02/09/07 + jdg

protools has the best "mixdown" button of all the DAWs

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02/09/07 + INKEYstrng

i don't understand why he doesn't admit to taking their track and saying he turned it into something more. i mean he may have not turned it into something better but he could at least say he did take someone else's track and re work it. it had already been done with the original track already. why not say he was doing that. but like everyone is saying, hes retarded and its the truth.

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02/09/07 + Logo

I really don't understand why he is so highly regarded anyway... I mean he has produced some interesting beatz, but it's largely interesting in the context of latter 1990's Bling Blingism. When your in a creative vacuum, it's easy to look like a genius.

I also don't understand why the Finnish guy doesn't sue him already. Money aside, I'd like to see him publicly ridiculed and held accountable for being so dumb.

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02/09/07 + mrpanda

No worries, p. Honest mistake. The case hasn't been made very public, and when it is, it's with interviews like this with Timbaland downplaying the issue.

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02/09/07 + Japes

Yeah. The guy's a thief. As an established producer who's probably loaded to the gills with cars and houses, you should be supporting those whose work you admire enough to sample. If you're gonna jack some bedroom producer's track for your next (s)hit record, you should fucking well pay for it through publicising them and/or paying them their dues financially.

There's lots of terminology that can be quite confusing, especially since their degrees of separation is hazy; did he sample it, cover it, rework it, remix it or downright thieve it?

By the way, Pawel, I wouldn't criticise Timbaland on his grammar and follow it up with beauties such as:
use external hds to write there data too
:p

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02/09/07 + energygiant

right

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02/09/07 + daswesen

link

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02/10/07 + tonearm

is that Timbaland? what a fat fucker! go on a fucking diet dude!

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02/10/07 + astroid

well, if you listen again, his main point is that he just goes ahead and "samples" from everything and then waits for the lawsuits to roll in. haha.

that's money for you.

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02/10/07 + utofbu

I think thats "The Game" They talk about from time to time

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02/10/07 + astroid

let's us consider the economics of this particular atrocity for a moment.

timba probably makes about 100,000$ a track these days. that's conservative-he was doing better in the big pimpin era-he's not quite so hot right now. that's a fee. producer's fee. that doesn't talk about the dough on the "back end". now, for a screaming stinking hit, one the size of say "hey ya," those songs generate some 7 million dollars more or less, in their lifetime. it's probably more these days.

i bet timba does about 30-60 tracks a year. maybe 1-2 of those are gonna generate some serious dough. if he were to get sued, i don't think they can go after his producer's fee. the royalties, sure.

just talking out my ass here

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edited: Feb 10 2007 + soundhdack

He makes some interesting points. The main one being where he acquired the source material. If he found it on some site that didn't provide credit for the track then there isn't a compelling reason to go looking for the composer of the track. Especially if the site said something like, "C64 Music" and then neglected to post credit for the music featured there. If one doesn't know about the 8-bit music scene then it is likely they would think that 8-bit music is music from a computer game machine.. The funny thing is that 8-bit music sounds like music from a computer game. If you make music on a Gameboy using Nanoloop or some other software, it's music that's made on a computer game machine. Of course someone could file a claim, but it's never really clear if one can use the preset demo songs on a keyboard in their own compositions when it comes to the old 8-bit machines. Timbaland's claim that he sampled as opposed to stole is actually a very strong position to take. There never has been a definition of how long or short a sample must be of a particular song in order for it to be considered a sample . One can sample 8 seconds or 8 bars -- it doesn't matter so long as the sample appears in the mix of completely original material. Anyway, the Finnish dude will most likely get paid if he can prove legal ownership of the track. So good for him.

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