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here's a great article about "loudness wars" in general, but many things too.
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foudn the link via osxa via ableton forum.
that dood from that link said: "Levels have crept up over the last decade though, and alarmingly so. Nevermind is 6-8dB quieter than, say, Hopes & Fears by Keane—to contextualise this, those 6-8dB will make Nevermind sound approximately half as loud."
the issue i find with "loud" and digital playback, is that there is a ceiling. and because of this ceiling you really cannot force "loud" naturaly. Tru loudness is best left to the amplification stage, not to the transport stage.
also, fook, thats a long article. thx god for speed reading. | |
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cbit said: "my thumb is up this blog."
that's not very nice 
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loud is the new pink. the last mars volta album is so overcompressed that it hurts my ears when it cycles through my playlist. the wavform is like a flatline. add the fact that fm radio compresses more before they pump it out over the airwaves and its easy to understand why those car dealership ads are always screaming at you.
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bleen
there's also this article that came out a couple of years ago. lots of graphical examples.
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Bonz
Wow, that article was interesting. But it's true. My dad pokes fun at my small town lifestyle and consider me a loser for living my life slower than he has. I work 9-5, but there is minimal or next to no traffic getting to and from home. I only spend an actual 8.3 hours working in my day vs 10+ for people who sit in traffic all morning and evening. This alone changes a person's attitude. I didn't choose to join the military and randomly pop out a kid in a foreign country. I choose to spend my days doing my job, studying at a consistent pace, and taking my time to appreciate life. People in the small town I live at are more laid back, open to talk, and less tense.
I go back to the City, and people are shitting on each other, and I think it's just a matter of attention. I agree about the ipod perspective. It has helped music in some ways, but it has ruined it in others. Once me and my gf get an apartment, I want to start inviting people over to listen to music. And do just that. People have been caught up into the idea of multi-tasking, yet the fact is that nobody can master everything at once.
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sohcahtoa
That was some good readin'. Thanks for posting the link!
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djugel
This is the reason why dance music started to sound worse ... and yet it also made the Perlon/Herbert tech style possible. The ceiling gets too low .. and the kicks start to soundmuch worse. Where as on old recordings .. the kick was much lower ... to the point where when you heard it back all amped up and live .. it was a totally different sound(get the right punch and the rest should fill out)
yeah ... it is obvious that I HATE the sound of 2000. I think as the years go by .. a lot of people will look back and say "what the fuck were we thinking?" Just like we do now with some 80's DAT recordings .. or the 60's/70's stuff where the panning is sometimes really silly.
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jarvis
i think it was a tapeop article - i don't recall for sure, but there was an interview i read similar to this about how modern mixing has gotten to a point where the trend is to be as loud or as 'hot' as possible, and you get all these elements trying to compete to be in the front of the mix. to do that, things generally need to be pretty processed and compressed and so on, so you start losing out on the whole dynamic range of a sound of an instrument in order for it to be put in its place at the front of the mix instead of really being part of the whole mix. i dunno... i like it when i have to turn the volume up on a cd because it generally seems like there's more sound hidden because there's more room for dynamics. then again, it could all just be in my head. an example: herbert's 'bodily functions' compared to his new 'scale'. scale is really punchy and really up front in the mix. i didn't hear much depth to it. but when you switch to bodily functions you immediately realize how much quieter the album is but it sounds to me like there's 'more sound' there when you turn it up.
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actually 'around the house' would be a better comparison than 'bodily functions'
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ignatius
there are some mix engineers out there who've mixed a ton of pop and pop-punk type records and made millions in royalties etc some of these guys own 70-80 compressors or something. these guys chain compressors one after another for somethings and it really crunches the shit out of everything...even before mastering!!!
i guess it's for radio play but everything gets compressed on the radio anyways.. overkill..
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jkn
What's worse is when a recording's already been pushed to it's limit and flatlined - and then the local radio station squashes it into oblivion with their compressor they push everything through. Some songs just lose everything and become dull lifeless shells of songs.
What's more amazing - is we have this wonderful station that will pretty much play anything you request (as long as it's remotely 'rock' oriented - though I've heard that definition pushed fairly far... although in general - if it's metal it gets played more... but anyway...) - I finally realized they were playing mp3's. And if you think mp3's sound lifeless and dull when compressed too much... wait until you hear one over your car radio on a station that doesn't really have a ton of power.
Here's a couple of Bob Katz articles somewhat related to this topic that I didn't notice being posted already (apologies if they were):
Honor roll of good sounding pop CD's (a bit on the 'loudness race is self-defeating' topic)
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Also:
Compression: link
Levels: link
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vaughn
it seems to me pop artists and their engineers should work on making their music good as opposed to loud. substance is lacking not volume.
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vaughn
the funny thing about this to me is most people I know either listen to music as background or turn it up blisteringly loud and probably don't really notice how loud the cd is to start with, ie this loudness crap is just for radio, but it's being cancelled by the station compression.
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