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here's a great article about "loudness wars" in general, but many things too.
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foudn the link via osxa via ableton forum.
that dood from that link said: "Levels have crept up over the last decade though, and alarmingly so. Nevermind is 6-8dB quieter than, say, Hopes & Fears by Keane—to contextualise this, those 6-8dB will make Nevermind sound approximately half as loud."
the issue i find with "loud" and digital playback, is that there is a ceiling. and because of this ceiling you really cannot force "loud" naturaly. Tru loudness is best left to the amplification stage, not to the transport stage.
also, fook, thats a long article. thx god for speed reading. | |
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tantan
Shopping at Bleep.com has made me even more aware of the problem. Generally speaking, the waveform view on their player is a great tool for eliminating options--half the stuff up there is 100% flat, and is therefore unlistenable. As soon as I see that flat waveform I move on to the next album. I may have missed some good music, but I really, really can't stand listening to hyper-flattened mixes.
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jdg
umami was over here the other night and i was printing a mix, and i looked at the waveform and said
"thats a good looking waveform"
then he hit me really hard.
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jdg said: "umami was over here the other night and i was printing a mix, and i looked at the waveform and said
"thats a good looking waveform"
then he hit me really hard."
that's funny.
re- bleep.com- i have found a lot of total squarewave stuff there too but also there's plenty of things there that are wildly dynamic. older stuff mostly that they took teh master of and just converted to whatever mp3 or flac it needed to be. that stuff sounds good to me.
the super-squished stuff just becomes ear fatiguing to me.
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mlbot
of related interest, loudness in recordings over the years :
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only my link has more pics and less of thoser things made with letters...
edit: aaaahhhhh bb01 beat me to it. that rat bastard. Bah, well, that was like 1 page ago.
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jdg
also, if you send an already compressed track into your fav mp3 encoder, it will perform poorly (and often times cause actual digital overs as they have a hard time with square waves)
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tantan
Yeah, iggy, that's what I've found too--newer stuff tends towards squishvilles, but many of the 90s albums are fine.
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jdg
mlbot is a half-witted, scruffy-looking nerf herder!
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mlbot
who's scruffy looking?
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cbit
The loudness race isn't about radio play i think, cos as mentioned, the radio station compressors make everything the same perceived volume anyway. On the radio super-compressed stuff just sounds worse, not louder next to more dynamically intact tracks, if my understanding of katz is correct..
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bleen
one of the problems is dumbass a&r folks telling mastering engineers to master a cd as loud as "the radio" not understanding that the radio is mastering+more compression+limiting. this then trickles down to people making their own recordings now thinking that they need their own music to be that loud, too.
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jdg
i have had the lucky privilage to hear tracks i've mastered on the radio.
and the ones that were "SMASHED" (-8 9dB RMS) sounded absolutily terrible. i mean.. i was embarrased. there was audible distortion in the low and high end.
but, the ones that i get to about -14 -12dB RMS sound outfuckingstanding on the radio...
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mlbot
So a few months ago I was doing one of my teaching music production to teens, and I had one kid set up doing some freestyle rap.
I could tell from the other room he was clipping the whole recording (even though I reminded him twice to turn down the speakers before hitting record..oops) so I let him finish, turned down the mic input, turned down the speakers (he had headphones on, too) and said OK try another take.
After he did a second take, I A/B compared the two recordings and asked him which one he thought sounded better: CLIPPED, or not clipped.
"I like the loud one better".
AAAAaaa. So much for teaching them to fish. I deleted the clipped one, told him "you cant have it", and turned up the volume of the other one.
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cbit
mlbot said: "I deleted the clipped one, told him "you cant have it", and turned up the volume of the other one."
lol tough love.
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mlbot
and then I told him "hip hop sucks, here's Supatrigga now make some IDM"
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Roshi
mlbot said: "and then I told him "hip hop sucks, here's Supatrigga now make some IDM""
Aaaaahhh! Nooo!!!
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