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Ok. We need to talk. I used to really like Daft Punk until em978 mentioned this link in the other daft punk blog. I thought instead of hijacking that thread with this discussion, I'd bring it over here.
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Take a listen to some of this- a lot of it strikes me as really lazy use of samples! I listen to some of it and think that it's a fair use, and then i listen to other parts and I think "wow thats wayyy too close to a direct ripoff."
Have they gone too far? Doesn't somebody else deserve a LOT of the credit for a Daft Punk record? | |
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08/02/07
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KidQuaalude
08/02/07
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deltasleep
lol thanks for the song, kid.
Theres a big difference in using somebody's sound/recording, and using somebody's SONG. I think some of these have crossed the line, big time. When you start making uncredited songs out of 4-8 bars of somebody else's music, thats plagiarism, IMHO.
But I'm all for sampling, just not taking something somebody else wrote and calling it your own.
08/02/07
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craque
or even taking something of someone else's to capitalize on the fact that THEY had the good idea first
08/02/07
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p1ay3rtw0
well, there have been times were original artists have been paid for samples but not credited. well maybe? isn't there?
but I agree with deltasleep.
then again, I still like the daft punk songs, I did however lose some respect for them as musicians in the traditional sense.
and the plus to this is some of those disco songs are fucking awesome! now I can listen to them wherever.
08/02/07
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hageir
what about the notes on of the albums that said: "All Guitars: Daft Punk"
and they were ALL samples!
like that beast song = robot rock
08/02/07
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soft
did nobody listen to 'homework' ?
discovery IMO was mostly cheesy crap .... that link kinda explains why. i thought it was pretty terrible compared to homework.
homework was and still is a kickarse record!! and the tracks they are supposed to have sampled from that link sound sod all like around the world/da funk.
revolution909 is absolute genius. so to say they are lazy/are no good/aren't original/ etc etc etc is just jealousy/stupidity.
again - did nobody listen to 'homework' ? that record is fucking amazing!!
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deltasleep
homework was was to repetitive for my tastes. it's even worse to sample a hook and then repeat that as the WHOLE song with a filter.
08/02/07
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astroid
i can almost guarantee barry manilow and jerry goldsmith are getting paid for this stuff. in that case, good for daft punk. the more use, the better.
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soft
which homework song did they do that on?
i take it you dont like techno then?
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bla
has homework got that track where they list a load of dj names? everyone should really check out all those peoples stuff
they should do another version with the names of everyone theyve sampled
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soft
oh BTW, i do agree that SOME of the sampling they did on discovery is a bit lazy.....but to write them off completely is just dumb.
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crabster
They're great at digging up stuff and finding ways of using it, but personally I generally prefer more of a chopped up and "cut and paste":y feel.
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Logo
I've always had a love/hate relationship with them, but I can really care less whether they sample an entire track and slap on a filter, without paying a dime to clear any of it. If it rocks... it rocks (though I am glad some of the credit/scrilla is shared).
One can argue that even the simple act of looping a bar or two, is pretty transformative. Musicianship is overrated in my book (coming from someone who doesn't have a bit of musical knowledge/talent, of course    )
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p1ay3rtw0
I agree with logo, but still smarting over hearing those disco tracks...
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djugel
Couple things blow my mind about Daft Punk ... and people.
1. How did you not know it was samples?
2. How come when I recommend the same names that are in "Teachers" .. you still have no idea what I'm talking about?
3. Why are the last 2 albums so bad?
But yeah, that's how house has been done since the beginning... get 2 copies of a salsoul record and cut out the parts you don't like. Make the outro the intro... etc.
I miss this style when it was
1. not labeled as "mash up" and was done very naturally...
2. when it was a bit more deep. Like DJ Q's hit .. that sample Instant Funk's "Wide World of Sports".
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