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daft punk: sampling ethics discussion.
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Ok. We need to talk. I used to really like Daft Punk until em978 mentioned this link in the other daft punk blog. I thought instead of hijacking that thread with this discussion, I'd bring it over here.
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Take a listen to some of this- a lot of it strikes me as really lazy use of samples! I listen to some of it and think that it's a fair use, and then i listen to other parts and I think "wow thats wayyy too close to a direct ripoff."
Have they gone too far? Doesn't somebody else deserve a LOT of the credit for a Daft Punk record? | |
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08/03/07
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j_chot
both are very nice actually...
08/03/07
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deltasleep
"plus, even if you use the exact samples they did, you'd still never sound like daft punk."
I consider that to be a challenge!
08/03/07
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deltasleep
it's almost as if - artists can call their songs a "remix" if they sample the crap out of a song by a popular current artist, but if they sample the crap out of an older now obscure artist it's an "original work" somehow.
I like what bbwax has said. I think it speaks to the fact that even the people sampling too much of somebody else's music knows that its a cheap, lazy thing to do. That being the reason that people like DJ Shadow deliberately seek out the most rare sample sources they can.
Mostly I'm mad at myself because I gave them too much credit. When I heard a synth play, I assumed that was the part they had added- since you know, they stand in a pyramid full of synths.
08/03/07
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Vorbe
“They were the filter disco group with slightly more technoish drums ... and res'd out bass/leads”
Mothership Reconnection (Daft Punk Remix) and voyager show one of the better examples of that style of sound, when I think of their bass lines the one word that comes to mind is imperial.
“sorta .. it's that they are house ... I can break out old 91 chicago mixtapes .. and hear snippets of the songs they've sampled”
well yeah, once they get their samples throw it into a cyclic rhythm, compress/side chain and ad a bit of the ol’ vocoder the have a recipe for a daft punk track which is a bit cheeky, especially when they rely to much on the formula and their weight in the genre. I will say that I can usually notice a Thomas Bangalter remix or track through his sampling tastes and general rhythm of cutting, it still hasn't changed much throughout the years.
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Tridact
The Daft Punk pyramid actually isn't full of synths.
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08/03/07
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Tridact, you're post is like the climax to the wizard of oz.
the robots are just people after all.
I thought they made alot of that stuff themselves until this blog. though, all that matters to most people is that they can dance to it and the theatrics/performance aspect to the live show and they cover those bases well.
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khoral
Eheh, thanks for providing me yet another reason for despising Daft Punk, and I thought I was running out of them reasons, but that's a lesson : always more to learn there is, young padawan
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khoral
I mean, they can't even come out with a decent track when they actually steal it?
Come on...
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cbit
j_chot said: "plus, even if you use the exact samples they did, you'd still never sound like daft punk."
.. ehh. yes you would
08/03/07
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djugel
j-chot - you should play with an Akai 900/950.
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nightowl
this is in answer to marklar: i should have made it clear in my post about altering samples to make them your own, that i was not referring to sampling someone's music exactly. the only "samples" i use are either from fruity loops or ones i make myself using audacity. i think its too lazy and uncreative to use fruity loop samples just the way they are. i don't believe i ever used a sample taken from a song. so iguess its important to this discussion to define what a "sample" is---fruity loops is entirely sample-based, yet they're not from somebody's songs. personally i found daft punk to be pretty boring but i only have their first cd.
08/03/07
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Artsigreg
still up cowboy?
08/04/07
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elronhubbard
i always liked Daft Punk. i mean, John TRavolta and Tom Cruise always come down and hang out with me and they bring the craziest house music to dance to. those two guys really like to dance. anyways they played some Daft Punk for me, and i was like "oh my god, i MUST own these people". but sadly Thomas Bangalter will ot give me any of his moneys. i know because ive been spying on him.
08/04/07
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hecanjog
jdg said: " its ok sampling is just another form of ancestor worsphip."
Vorbe said: "Just remember you're using words to express yourself that you didn't create.
... I think the art lies in the selection and construction."
soundhdack said: "... it is all about appropriation...
who deserves primary credit? The Earth the provides the iron, those who mine it, those who forge the steel, those who design the bridge, or those who build the bridge? are you going to use the bridge or not? "
barthes said: "Succeeding the Author, the writer no longer contains within himself passions, humors, sentiments, impressions, but that enormous dictionary, from which he derives a writing which can know no end or halt: life can only imitate the book, and the book itself is only a tissue of signs, a lost, infinitely remote imitation."
Barthes sounds like a sad panda, but I think the core of what he's saying is incredibly exciting and liberating. My label even based a compilation on this theme: link
To me, at the core of the question of sampling, appropriation, and the purity of creativity in general is the question of culture and ideology. That is, daft punk sampling a few bars of a fun tune wholesale is just as interesting and 'valid' an act to me as Bach's continuation and utilization of the language of western art and sacred music for example. I know it does seem a bit disconnected, but I don't Vorbe is going out on a limb in the least in looking to language for an example of how we live and breath appropriation and carry our culture through it.
When it comes to it, I'm with the situationists - tear into culture from every angle possible.
marx said: "Social action takes the form of the action of objects, which rule the producers instead of being ruled by them. ... Could commodities themselves speak, they would say: Our use-value may be a thing that interests men. It is no part of us as objects. What, however, does belong to us as objects, is our value. Our natural intercourse as commodities proves it. In the eyes of each other we are nothing but exchange values."
I don't think it's a stretch to apply this relationship of economic value to cultural value as well - cultural objects produce value through their use, reuse, appropriation and re-appropriation. Lets all go to our ancestors and get ourselves a snack!
08/04/07
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madeofoak
i dunno, there's a lot of too-close-to-be-theirs in here. this reminds me of the moment i realized rjd2 just found funk songs and added breakbeats.
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