Electronic Music 411 - protestors 1 cops 0 - climate camp, protesting, cops

ha ha ha... hoxton. yeah right, nice one skab.. make fun of a postcode. one which i dont even live at. that really hurts ;)

lets get this straight. I've been on LOADS of protests, I've whitnessed countless acts of police brutality, I object to most of what gets done by the same governments and corporations which these people are protesting against.

I am offering my oppinion, which is that we are achieving NOTHING by hitting charging police off land we dont even own, and wholesale whitewashing ALL corporate activity as something to 'rebel' against.

In my brief existence it has always been in my nature to question EVERYTHING.. not just that which everyone is presented to me as 'wrong'. So lately it has occurred to me that nothing is being solved here. It is simply magnifying 'us and them'. More and more I am gravitating to the belif that by simply being a 'good human' is SO much more positive than anything shouting at 'the man' will ever achieve.

Look at people like the Dalai Lama. That fucking guy KNOWS THE SCORE. trust me.. you'd not find him locksing up his hair and shouting half-arsed slogans at some coppers who'll have forgotten them by the time they've got home and seen the smile on their children's faces as they walk through the door.

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08/17/07 + Doron

This wont work in NYC, the police here figured out locking down protest into a science. using plastic sheets and whatnot. i saw a protest about this size, locked down and all the people in it transported in vans in about 10-15 minutes flat. it was amazing, and quite scary.

ekstrak i agree- the tendency to simplify everything is not helping at all

08/17/07 + Jetsom

"It is simply magnifying 'us and them'."

The pro-protesters and the anti-protestors?

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08/17/07 + mechp

I agree and disagree with both sides of the argument here. On one hand I do agree that protesting is almost useless 99% of the time after numerous experiences including being the victim of police brutality in Chicago during the huge anti-war march the week before the US went to Iraq, joining a class action lawsuit against against the CPD and watching it drown in a soupy sea of red-tape and litigious skull-fuckery.

On the other hand these people DO have a point. I have to say also that I think that everything corporate IS a problem... at least in it's current legal definition here in the US. I personally believe that corporations enjoy a legal status that not only allows, but FORCES them to be the planet-fucking monsters they are and that they are at the heart of much of our 21st century woes and therefor worth taking a stand against.

I have to say, in addition, that I think this camp has particularly ill timing, of no fault of their own. The last thing our struggling world market needs right now is a strain on travel in and out of one of the major business epicenters. The prolonged recession in the market and the investment fear associated with it is really frightening... especially with the possible collapse of Countrywide Financial, which would most likely destroy the Us economy.

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08/17/07 + Doron

corporations have a public mandate to serve only the share holders, that in itself is only a partial issue.

mechp is to some degree in the right , corporations have existed for a long time but the modern corporation as we know it is a fairly new american invention with its laws of personhood privilage - i think its tom scott and the railroad industry that created the modern form that dominates our life today, im not sure, cant recall really.

08/17/07 + mechp

Doron is right, I should have been more specific. The problem lies in the deadly combination of a corporation's obligation to it's shareholders and free trade that allows the exploitation of virtually everyone.

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08/17/07 + djugel

"In my brief existence it has always been in my nature to question EVERYTHING.. not just that which everyone is presented to me as 'wrong'. So lately it has occurred to me that nothing is being solved here. It is simply magnifying 'us and them'. More and more I am gravitating to the belif that by simply being a 'good human' is SO much more positive than anything shouting at 'the man' will ever achieve.

Look at people like the Dalai Lama. That fucking guy KNOWS THE SCORE. trust me.. you'd not find him locksing up his hair and shouting half-arsed slogans at some coppers who'll have forgotten them by the time they've got home and seen the smile on their children's faces as they walk through the door."

that was beautiful, I'm serious. thank you so much. That's basically what I've been trying to say for years .... usually I'm just a vague dipshit and say something like "animals like me".

I truely believe that bad things come to bad people.. or there is some misery that just follows them. True evil does exist. Even if I suffer from some injustice I know that my positive outlook and compassion for my "direct" surroundings will pull me through and make me a richer person than them.

I don't believe in god, but I definately believe in some sort of higher judgement.

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08/17/07 + djugel

sorry if I went off topic ... and speaking of Karma .. why do I have this prostate problem ?

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08/17/07 + populus

I mostly just disagree with the kind of sentiment expressed by that guy in the video who wants to "get in their faces" and disrupt travel and stuff. I'm all for protesting against climate change and all that, but getting in the way of people's travels is only going to hurt your cause. If you block an airstrip (which as far as I know they haven't done, but that guy seemed to like the idea), all you're doing is making several thousand people hate you and your cause. I think there are better ways.

and I mean come on, heathrow is a fucking nightmare as it is, do we have to make anyone's life any more miserable?

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08/18/07 + sAMsKi

wowzers. really interesting blog. pretty heavy but really interesting.

i agree with some stuff that has been very well put on both sides but most of what ekstrak says really sums up my own feelings. i have had a mixed life myself in terms of protest and attitude to politics. i used to be pretty proactive but i lost faith to a degree but moreover, i wasn't convinced that the way i was approaching things was the most affective way to make change.

i couldn't agree more with ekstrak about being a 'good human'. this is absolutely vital and is how i choose to run my life. be it cycling to work, smiling a lot, chatting with anyone, helping people out, ignoring race / religion and just being friendly sam, running my company ethically etc. i know that probably sounds like nothing much but i really think (and hope) it's the biggest way i can make a difference.

i also agree about questioning everythnig. for example, on a simple level, if somone says to me they don't like so and so, that's not going to affect my liking or disliking them. i make up my own mind. same applies to pseudo-leftist hatemongers who think all corporations are bad and all politicians are corrupt. sometimes my girlfriends brother and his friends can be a bit like that and it makes me laff cos i remind them that i run my own company and they say, oh, yeah, but you are different....just like my grandad used to say about the jamaicans and indians where he worked, after ranting about the state of our country since 'they came over'...

anyway, i seem to be waffling

one thing i must say, in the face of all the evidence, is that i am truly amazed that climate change isn't provoking this sort of thing more and on a much larger scale. politicians tell us how this is the greatest threat to our world, and then don't act in a way that suggests it's particularly important at all. i don't know how i can change this. politics and capitalism seem helpless to solve this issue. i feel vulnerable in their hands and unable to bring about any substancial change. ultimately, in the most serious cases in history the people have brought change but with climate change i worry that it will be different...as by the time people rise up, it will be too late....!?

bye.sam.

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08/19/07 + energygiant

wow Doron, even the mention of plastic sheets is frightening...i can only imagine what they do with them.

those videos are cute, more bongo please

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