Electronic Music 411 - Down In June - Cover Bands, Death In June, Neofolk

10/13/07 + Zanf

mrpanda said: "I guess I assumed, wrongly, that the people on em411 would have the common sense to know..."

I like how you say that as though youre not one of us.

Im sure Mr Pearce, after a hard day at the studio, goes home, put on his slippers and chills out smoking some "white, uncircumcised cock" and leaves all the nazi fetishism behind. I cant believe that you dont have the common sense to see that they guy has some very dubious associations, has done some very dubious deeds, holds some dubious opinions and so the politics are inseperable from the music [the music is ALL ABOUT the politics], even if it is just a cover band.

Anyway, having said that, theres 2 things that leaves a bad taste in my mouth and that's people who look to musicians for politics [and the musicians who oblige them] and cover bands

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10/13/07 + mrpanda

Haha I didn't imply that at all. I didn't even mention politics to begin with. I was just stupid and responded to a troll. I never once said the music has nothing to do with politics either or even that is has nothing to do with fascism - it is simply not advocating fascism and that should be clarified using your own common sense, not the views on some overly excited libertarian-communist rant site. Go listen to the music and read the lyrics and decide for yourself. I'm not telling you what to think, but then if you haven't done the research of even listening to a couple songs, then don't tell me I'm right or wrong.

If there's anything that leaves a bad taste in my mouth, it's people who create a crisis when there's no need for one.

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10/14/07 + yghartsyrt

so what gives you the right calling me a troll?
i've been coming to this board years longer than you do. i've contributed far more stuff than you ever did, including patches, tutorials, samples and such. i've been a helpfull member to a lot of questions and people.

calling me a troll is just bullshit. if you can't even stand a controversy or a normal discussion then don't project your problems on someone else.

once again. as i mentioned in my first post, nobody is telling you what to do or not. if you want to listen to it, go ahead. no problem for me. it's your stereo, your right to choose what's playing.

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10/14/07 + cbit

You would think that with all the neo-nazi's there are in Germany, despite the complete ban on the display of the swastika (a symbol which in and of itself is just a symbol), that you would be able to tell the difference between someone who is sincerely fascist and someone who is describing it - especially when they're describing it negatively.

Have you read the page that i linked to? the catalogue of things that Pearce is involved with that are only adequately explained if he is a fascist is long--the hypothesis that he is a fascist has a lot of supporting evidence. A good start for your case would be if you could point to a quote where he denies being a fascist.

Wasn't Pearce's visit to Croatia and the benefits he did for humanitarian reasons?
In an interview with Descent magazine (issue 3), Pearce stated that it wasn't a "purely a humanitarian gesture. It was a cultural one. A socio-Euro political one." The people he visited were fascists.

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10/14/07 + cbit

mrpanda said: "I was just stupid and responded to a troll."

There have been no troll posts so far in this thread.

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10/14/07 + daswesen

It's like all these DIJ-lovers and military-pop lovers, coming to you showing you the last cover of the blutharsch album and you go "meh, not for me". It's like they are looking for you to evoke the nazi thingie, and then go rambling on and on how Pearce or Boyd Rice are not nazis, while at the same time being obviously fascinated by exactly that aspect of the music. Because to be honest, the music is not that spectacular.

And even in the case of the guy listening to it being obviously a left-radical punk who is pretty much reflecting about it, I still find that fascination with third reich aesthetics, death-aesthetics, and the ever so loved "DIJ aren ot nazis theme" a bit nauseating.

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10/14/07 + energygiant

yghartsyrt said: " once again. as i mentioned in my first post, nobody is telling you what to do or not. if you want to listen to it, go ahead. no problem for me. it's your stereo, your right to choose what's playing."

oh come on yogurtshirt...you cant play that now......i mean of course you arent TELLING him what to do(that'd be pretty tough over the internet) but you are trying very hard to make him feel bad or stupid about his decisions.
i can totally understand how you europeans take all the nazi stuff pretty seriously, being that they were able to take quite a bit of control back in the 40's.
but obviously mrpanda doenst, and its not very nice of you to explain how stupid and ill-intented the music he likes is.

mr. panda doenst want to kill jews and gypsies, but its perfectly alright to like the guitar riffs of someone who does.

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10/14/07 + cbit

I can't speak for him but I'm pretty sure that's a seriously skewed idea of yghts intention. If that _was_ the result then it's a side-effect of ygh being passionate about the importance of being aware of the continuing threat of fascism. If that's means being 'not very nice' then so much the worse for 'nice' in my view.

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10/14/07 + energygiant

right, well im probably putting my own slant on it....but thats how it reads to me

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10/14/07 + energygiant

while im sure they both intented to sound intelligent and argue in a 'constructive' way....its obviously degenerated into a 'who you calling a troll....' scene.
and its just not fair for either of them to say at the end "well i was just trying to educate you".....its CLEARLY not about that

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10/14/07 + yghartsyrt

right energygiant. this might have come across a little soapbox and fingerpointing like.

but i think being aware politically is to me something, that is quite important. i wasn't trying to make him/you (mr panda) feel bad about that. it was more about �hey look pal, maybe you haven't cared about it, but maybe it's worth a thought, that this music-project is questionable. �

and far as i can see it. i only got a �hey stupid you have no clue about nothing� response that ended in calling me a troll.
and of course as discussions like this get heated it'S not about just educating the other.

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10/14/07 + Zanf

energygiant said: "mr. panda doenst want to kill jews and gypsies, but its perfectly alright to like the guitar riffs of someone who does."

Is it?

In that case, Im going to buy up lots of Gary Glitter records because although he likes fucking kids, he is still "leader of the gang"

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10/14/07 + energygiant

i'd say yes it is Zanf.....please dont get me wrong, i feel terrible for any child who is/was abused...especially by mr. glitter.
but i dont think that listening to his music means that you support child molestation

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10/14/07 + Zanf

EG - Im not suggesting that you support anything but its an interesting discussion.

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10/14/07 + cbit

eg said: "but i dont think that listening to his music means that you support child molestation"

But buying his records, going to his shows etc is supporting a _child molester_. And to promote DIJ is to support fascists, whichever way you cut it.

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