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Not sure if there are any other Death In June (http://www.deathinjune.net) fan's on here, but I thought I would point out this really good Death In June cover band I've been following for a month or two. Also, if you've never heard of Death In June before, I recommend looking them up too.
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cbit
edit: And to promote DIJ is to support fascists (not necessarily intentionally) whichever way you cut it.
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Zanf
I did try to add with edit but its seems to work at its own leasuire......
So EG, you say that its ok to like music, that is ladened with nazi festishism and occultism, by an 'artist', who holds some fairly abhorrent views, even if it opposes your principles?
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energygiant
mr. brassiere said: " i totally support breasts "
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energygiant
i'd say it REALLY depends on the person.........i can only speak for myself obviously. but i feel like i have enough perspective in my life to take what i want from musicians....i dont really give a hoot what their political views are. im interested in frequencies and arrangements. not their personal agendas.
so my answer is definitely yes, as long as that music is good.
cbit has a very good point about promoting things, with intention or not.
but i dont think that promoting some shitty rock band with poorly thoughtout political ideas is so bad. its still up to the listener to decide what they believe.
i'd still love Queen if freddy mercury told me to r.a.p.e baby hippos in every song.
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energygiant
and i wouldnt be out violating hippos
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Zanf
You would be perfectly happy to give money and subsequently support [which they would perceive as condonation] to an artist/band, that advocated something that you opposed, purely because you 'like the frequencies'?
So, youre not much of a lyric man then? ;)
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energygiant
nope, not at all........unless youre gordon gano, and he only talks about sweet things.
and no not purely because i like the way it sounds, it also must be organized well.
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energygiant
i do see your point zanf. i mean i dont really own any albums of people who's opinions i completely disagree with....especially when their lyrics involved.
and more to the point i think both of the bands in question here are horrible
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energygiant
their = there are
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mrpanda
Not really sure what to say at this point. I never claimed that I just hadn't noticed that Death In June, Boyd Rice, Current 93, Throbbing Gristle, etc, etc link certain themes in their music with fascism, and more generally, ugliness. That's part of what attracted me to it to begin with. Let's face it, the world is an ugly place, and in my opinion, you have a greater chance of not being ugly yourself if you're not afraid or offended by looking at it. If you can't get past your own disgust, how to you expect anything to really change? Then again, I am also not someone who is easily offended.
I've always interpreted music like Death In June's as an attempt to hold the listener's head straight and force them to look at aspects of our society and history which are disgusting, and also, to be able to parallel that and society in general. Some people are going to be ashamed of history and some people are not. I am one of those people who are not because I can make the distinction that I am not a violent or hateful person - in fact I am a pacifist, a socialist (not the national kind), I despise nationalism in all it's forms, I support more open immigration and laws that protect immigrants both legal and illegal, I am against any form of totalitarianism - What I listen to is not what I am or what I support, and my logic would say that what you display/create is not necessarily what you are or support. And yes, I am fascinated by ugliness and imperfections as well, but if anything I would think that makes me less of a fascist, not more of one.
Then on the other hand, I really do genuinely like Death In June's music as well. It's nice to hear dark music that's not completely laden with synthesized pipe organs and grunting Norwegians, you know? I also think they've done incredible things for experimental music and having roughly a 3rd to a half of my music being experimental/ambient-noise/noise at this point, I consider them to be an influence on my work - at least a lot more so than Aphex, as much as I love his work.
And yes, sometimes the boundary between whether or not the band really supports the things they write about is very blurred, but that's also all apart of the game. If they didn't blur the line, they'd end up like another GWAR/Hanzel Und Gretyl/Fiendflug type band where they have the aesthetics, but their intent would be lost, if I'm correct in interpreting their intent that is.
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cbit
mrpanda: your post makes sense, but doesn't capture my thoughts on DIJ.
Here it is in a nutshell: I don't want to help _anyone_ who I think wants to promote a dangerous political ideology (even if i think that their music is great, even if i've been influenced by their music--which would be a heartbreaking situation). I think yght is coming at this from a similar perspective, I hope you understand.
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yghartsyrt
same as cbit said.
your answer was really indepth and insightful.
i guess my way of saying things (and please keep in mind that english is not my first language, which make things seem a little bit different, than i might intended) might have fueled this quite a bit, but why didn't you just answered that way, the first time.
still i see things a lot different than you. but thats fine with me. i can stand the difference.
i still think you owe me an excuse for that troll thing.
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Psyingo
so what about throbbing gristle? i love throbbing grislte. but they also used this imagery. but i know exactly why, its to make people think, and shock them out of their everyday routine.
they arent promoting it, merely showing it.
what about christian music? i find that offensive sometimes. especialy when the people backing it up are intense zealots.
most christians would probably find some other sort of religious music to be offending in some way.
skin head bands that promote this stuff upright i may have a problem with liking, but that doesn't make them illegitimate.
i think perhaps you people have just very specific views and when something goes out of line with them, you tend to get cranky.
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cbit
psyingo said: "i think perhaps you people have just very specific views and"
My views on certain issues certainly are specific--and i bet you have very specific views too. I don't really think you're suggesting that things would be improved if our views were vague and undefined instead? In any case it would be difficult to maintain such a state of blurriness indefinitely.
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Psyingo
well true. i dont know what i was getting at, maybe at this thread went over boand a while ago and hitler needs to come along and clean us up.
(a double joke!)
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