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web2.0 and newfangled contraptions
StoreTags: podcast, blog, rss, web2.0, new shit
Author: dach on November 06 2007 Viewed 3897 times. 21 people liked this blog. You can rate it below if you haven't already.
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Hey,
Having recently passed thirty, it's time to acknowledge the fact that I no longer know whats happening on the internet just by automatic. I've been struggling to get to grips with this social networking, web2.0 revolution with varying degrees of success (and confusion).
I know what the blogs and podcasts are, alright, but something else seems missing. It still feels like strangers writing journals that I am reading, and not a network of people I know and share parts of my life and music with. em411 comes close to that, and facebook keeps me in contact with a few people I know 'for real'. But what else is out there? Is this the extent of the communications revolution?
What have I missed? How can we, as musicans (and 30 somethingers for the most part) deal with this new stuff? With Miro I can subscribe to video podcasts that automagically download and present me with the latest cool TV stuff. My iTunes sells me music direct through my mp3 player, and even downloads some podcasts.
But.
Where the hell IS everyone? Is it just me not making any friends, or not surfing the right areas? This technology is Bloody Wonderful, and I love my daily dose of downloaded videos and mp3s keeping things fresh, but I'm not particularly finding people out there to talk to!!!
We _have_ the technology to hook all our studios together live. We could be automatically sharing all our loops in automated, rss'd downloads to each other. Why are we distributing our releases as mp3s when we could share multitracked formats with warp markers, ready for remixing?? Where where is the LIVE FUN?! What is wrong with this current picture!!!
I want to watch you, yes you, live on webcam just messing about with your synth. If anyone wants a tour of my studio, watch me test out a machinedrum or do a spontaneous noise show with a bunch of circuit bent instruments live then I'm happy to switch the cameras on. Do you DJ? Can I watch you practicing a set at home? I would LOVE it
None of these things need to be of technical brilliance, high quality audio/video or rehearsed perfect performances to be FUN!
Many of us noodle and never finish things, and so never release this work. I'm giving up the idea of finishing shit, and wanna aim for live jams instead!! Plug stuff in, make noise, hang out and socialise using this technological stuff instead of a keyboard and the same old forum and same old irc channel method that I started with about some 14 years ago. JAM SESSIONS!
So, please, someone join me in exploration of new tools and ideas? RSSing the studio, online realtime work, live events and so on..?
by the way, you should have rss for the mixits and quixits.
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11/06/07
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deltasleep
my blog:
link
And since my background is developmental studies, I can't help but point out a parallel. Young children play together in "parallel play"(both play the same thing, but don't interact) before they actually play WITH each other.
I agree with you about social networking. If we want an RSS on the emblog or whatever, why don't we all just start a blog at blogger and pass the password around to the community? That way we can post whatever, and have a really active, busy blog to subscribe to. I'd like that.
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lunatinker
re: podcast/mp3 - I personally find podcasts a mess. there are different streaming media types, sometimes just mp3 playing in quicktime or somewhere else random or in browser.
I hate to say this, but with the PHP I have learned, I see how easy it is to implement streaming, then flash player, then direct link. 1,2,3. solution for me.
RE: web 2.0 - a larger consensus is that 2.0 is this landmark we have not come to. that people will be screaming or hyping 3.0 before we roll out a single browser to pass the ACID test. This seems correct to me. I really hate IE. I have slowly started to learn browser sniffing (without javascript) and attempting screen resolution discovery. Seems like learning whether broadband or dial up is a nice "gesture" but really, to serve, you have to know who's eating. i sincerely hate the web right now. i am plugging along nonetheless.
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everamzah
it's just less anonymous, that's the single biggest difference.
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jogn
yes me too i've sat through a couple of this new found internet "tech" and most of them are just repackaged concepts with a shiny exterior. They either a)aggregate b)repackage c)converge d)complexify, then they'll stick a patent on it and everyone else gets to suck lols.
Oh sometimes they try to make things easier with the integration.
i wouldn't really want to watch another person noodling on his synths though in real time. It's usually a long noodle and probably no end to it. If it had a purpose ah then it'd be interesting.
11/06/07
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deltasleep
So nobody is interested in writing on the blog? It seems like 99% of artist blogs are pretty interesting but theres not enough content to keep them going. If we could merge several of ours, we could merge exposure, and get our viewership way up by providing our combined views and combined content. Seems like a good thing all around. If you want in, just lemme know- emmail me and we'll merge our blogs.
11/07/07
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dach
Interesting comment about parallel play.
jogn: i get what you're saying with synth noodling. A few minutes might be watchable, but it'd be infinitely more interesting to jam along, which is sorta what I'm getting at. I've carried some gear around to friends houses and had long noodle sessions and they are very fun, so I'm trying to get this internet stuff to help out with that. Bypass the gear carrying and studio rebuilding, and also take advantage of the bigger community that's out there.
I'll start blogging about my experiments 
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paperpilot
i have to agree with a few comments thus far that web 2.0 is predominately about "me." look at my myspace. then check out my videos. oh yea, and i make music. listen to it and like it. i have a blog, too. read about my life and pass it on. i guess we're all guilty to an extent, but the idea that everyone can and should be a star leaves a lot to be desired. but one need only look at the culture of celebrity going on all around us. think of all the manufactured talent out there and stars that seemingly have nothing to them (paris hilton, tia tequila, etc.).
ultimately, i see web 2.0 as lowering the barrier to entry on creating easily-accessible content and selling individuals as commodities instead of their productions (content). and everyone is starting to become content creators. the problem with that is that if everyone is creating content, who the hell is listening, reading, watching or even caring. but i digress...
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dach
Yeah the real question is can we avail of these things in our musical endeavours?! podcasting strikes me as one immediately viable idea, as does online jams. Splicemusic is definitely pushing the frontiers, even if its not quite useable for 'serious' music.. if you havn't seen it, imagine a sort of flash based garageband, but with excellent tracking of who created the loops, and it informs you when people use your loops in their songs. This is social networking, but with a totally music oriented approach!! I love it, but hate it cos it doesn't integrate with my existing studio. Really, a vst type thing that does the same would be awesome
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dach
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dug
go down the pub.
get a non-computer related interest.
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cbit
Interesting discussion.
RE: web 2.0 - a larger consensus is that 2.0 is this landmark we have not come to. that people will be screaming or hyping 3.0 before we roll out a single browser to pass the ACID test.
I'm aware of no 'larger consensus' that 2.0 is an unreached landmark. Its a buzz term invented as a shorthand for a group of features that all arose at around the same time, with increased 'socialness' being the thread that linked them. Unless you want to claim that web 2.0 isn't what the people who coined the term say it is (!?), i don't see how anyone can say it never.
A couple of things that web2.0 is 'about' apart from the futile feeling of collecting 'friends' on myspace: Crowd wisdom (massively more useful google, amazon and other applications). A move away from conceiving of sites as closed systems and instead seeing their potential as participants in a global 'conversations' (web APIs, mashups). Lots of good stuff.
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Squeal
Online jams would be cool if the latency was manageable. I don't think it's there yet.
There was some kind of midi jamming app that was talked about here, but it was synced with like one bar of latency. So you'd play a bar and others would hear what you played in the next bar.
It would seem like midi data would be small enough to stream in realtime with tolerable latency, at least it seems like it would be easier than audio.
I would be down for something like this, playing music live together would be very different from what we do now.
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dach
ninjam delays the audio by one bar to compensate for latency.. and that is absolutely no problem if you are into sorta minimal techno and microhouse styles... means the breaks can be a little weird (no one hears the same thing) but if you are just fading parts in and out and making small changes it is definitely no problem. it just seems to work like latency free. very nice.
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ModuLR
I feel like I don't have anything intelligent to add. I agree with many of the points brought up thus far. Social environments like myspace are perplexing to me... Granted, I have an account... but my desire to acquire friends is close non existent... and I think it has a lot to do with points brought up here. It feels so empty and meaningless.
Anyway, this thread inspired me enough to post a "just messing around jam" on my blog... link (linked blogs would be cool btw, then again is that what this is in a sense?).
11/08/07
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dach
That was sweet, you can play like that after a month? wow. previous experience with a trigger finger or something?
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