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When I first heard about the antivaccination lobby I thought it was some kind of weird intertubes joke. I mean, they were just playing, some kind of "save the whales and polio" joke, right? Right?
Wrong. They are dead serious.
And now it seems Donald Trump and Jenny McCarthy have joined the fray, claiming that vaccines cause autism.
A claim that has been shown to be incorrect.
A super hero team of paranoid new age scam artist homeopathy "remedy" selling pricks, the crappiest hair on tv and an mtv hasbeen, and they cannot even come up with some new meritless claim? What the fuck?
Sorry for ranting, the whole thing just gets me riled up.
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01/07/08
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crabster
bb01: The word theory means different things in different contexts. I mean, a theory that I might throw out while drunk doesn't have any formal requirements, and knowing myself, it's probably bullshit. However, a scientific theory has a range of requirements not applied to everyday usages of the word.
But you are absolutely correct in that (scientific) theories are falsified (with falsifiability being one of those formal requirements) all the time and nothing should be taken as absolute, forever unchangeable truth. That does not mean that all theories are of equal footing or value though.
I hope I don't come off sounding preachy or anything, it's just that I think stuff like this is so damn interesting.
01/07/08
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cbit
bb01 said: "Maybe its not 'the' point, but my point."
sorry, if my post sounded nasty.
I get touchy whenever the results of the scientific method are disregarded and people seem to act as though they have access to a better way of gaining knowledge about the world.
bb01 said: "
That theories are always theories is worth mentioning to people who blindly accept a theory.
Scientific evidence is not and should never be taken for absolute truth."
sure.
01/07/08
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bb01
cbit said: " bb01 said: "Maybe its not 'the' point, but my point." sorry, if my post sounded nasty."
no problem, really.
any other day and this news (headline about vaccines) would get under my skin too.
cbit said: "people seem to act as though they have access to a better way of gaining knowledge about the world."
In truth, thats the case a lot these days.
Sometimes, we do not know better than the specialists, but people in this individualistic society have learnt to distrust authority, even intellectual authority.
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mlbot
chicken pox is actually fairly dangerous....to adults and especially the elderly...
for kids, its more of a nuicance, yes.
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Zanf
Chicken pox can have teh symptons suppressed with zorvirax with no side effects
Some of the sources I promised earlier:
Merck & Co, HPV lobbying [also has projected figures for lives saved against costs of compulsory immunisation but in US not UK in one of the blue side boxes.]: link
Papers released under FOI reveal early fears about MMR: link
01/07/08
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bitmarch
Thanks Zanf!
01/07/08
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tantan
Okay, fabulous posts and thoughts, you're all lovely 
01/07/08
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mlbot
If it weren't for all you socialist-govterment-subsidized cheap drug users, maybe the poor drug companies could do better testing on their medicines before they go to market.
;)
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bitmarch
oh I get it. You're going to industry
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bitmarch
...not that there's anything wrong with that ;)
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mlbot
no, I'm not going industry. But like any red-blooded american, I love to put down them commie Europeans any chance I get.
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bitmarch
LOL, mlbot's joined the Nascar nation
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Zanf
sterilise him before he breeds!
01/09/08
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mlbot
Did anybody see that the results from a large study in California were published yesterday,
assessing the rate of autism in California children since thioredzal (the mercury component) was removed from MMR?
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The result: since mercury was removed, autism rates went up... not down.
Now, that's NOT evidence that thioredzal reduces autism... its more likely something else is causing autism and its increasing in prevalence ...
still, if you want to sling pseudoscience, you'd be less innacurate to say vaccination cures autism than causes it.
03/17/08
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tunalicker
celibacy club, breakscience and crabster mention mercury. maybe others.
My learning about vaccines made me cringe, but at 2000+/- a few years, the mercurial content is gone I think.
The remains of dead viral pathogens were another concern, but I don't care anymore. NIMH and CDC and FDA act so slowly,
I'm surprised we're not still drinking from lead goblets and writing fugues.
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