cbit said: "they just have different ideas about what that is."

tantan said: "oh Iggy come on, some of us enjoy a bit of pointless intellectual wankery, leave us to our fun"

cbit said: "You think that a point of view which says that the universe and everything in it was created for the benefit of human kind, and that you know what the creator of the universe wants from us, is humble?"

cbit said: "All it takes to trust science is the observation, from first hand experience, that evidence based reasoning is the most reliable way we have of assesing truth claims. This is how we rationally put trust in the scientific method."

delete said: " religion is a totally personal matter and i agree 100%.
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em978 said: "i'm sure this lame crap won't change anyones mind...wiki had this which is far more shooking

"The film is largely devoted to portraying evolution as responsible for Communism, Fascism, atheism, eugenics, Planned Parenthood and, in particular, Nazi atrocities in the Holocaust.[14][38] This is a common creationist claim.[41] As Scientific American notes, the film almost always inaccurately labels evolution with the outdated term "Darwinism" to imply an ideology.[42] Christianity Today film critic Jeffrey Overstreet's "spoiler" describing the film’s specific content was also posted on the official Expelled website:[43]
“ Many scenes are centered around the Berlin Wall, and Ben Stein being Jewish actually visits many death camps and death showers. In fact, Nazi Germany is the thread that ties everything in the movie together. Evolution leads to atheism leads to eugenics leads to Holocaust and Nazi Germany.[44] ”

The film opens with images of the Berlin Wall, and repeatedly uses what Richard Dawkins describes as the amateurish "Lord Privy Seal" technique of illustrating every point with images, including a guillotine, fist fights, and above all Nazi gas chambers and concentration camps.[45] In the film, intelligent design proponent David Berlinski says that Darwinism was a "necessary though not sufficient" cause for the Holocaust, and Stein presses the message of evolution being responsible without acknowledging more direct causes such as the economic ruin of Germany after the World War I and the racism and anti-semitism dating back over seven centuries before Charles Darwin, particularly Martin Luther's book On the Jews and Their Lies.[41][8] In fact, the works of Darwin were burned by the Nazi Party.[46] The same purported linking of Hitler to Darwin was made in a Coral Ridge Ministries film which the Anti-Defamation League criticized as "an outrageous and shoddy attempt by D. James Kennedy to trivialize the horrors of the Holocaust. Hitler did not need Darwin to devise his heinous plan to exterminate the Jewish people."[41]

From a scientific viewpoint, any distorted misunderstanding of evolution incorporated in Hitler's thinking is irrelevant to the scientific validity of Darwin's theory of evolution.[8] Michael Shermer, who was interviewed for the film, wrote of this:
“ When Stein interviewed me and asked my opinion on the impact of Darwinism on culture, he seemed astonishingly ignorant of the many other ways that Darwinism has been used and abused by political and economic ideologues of all stripes.... Because Stein is a well-known economic conservative... I pointed out how the captains of industry in the late 19th and early 20th centuries justified their beliefs in laissez faire capitalism through the social Darwinism of 'survival of the fittest corporations.' ... Scientific theorists cannot be held responsible for how their ideas are employed in the service of non-scientific agendas.[7]"

this is evil"

delete said: "could you please quote a christian book that says those things? i know the bible doesn't."

delete said: "also, a few pages ago Spark told that religion is a totally personal matter and i agree 100%."

delete said: "could you please quote a christian book that says those things? i know the bible doesn't."

teh bible, psalm 8 said: "
8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
8:6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
8:7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;
8:8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas."