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steve kurtz cleared of charges
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crazy business. i just watched a docu on this feller, googl'd and found out that yesterday, he was cleared of being the next bin laden.
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it's revolting that they dragged this guy through the justice system for four years, but relieving that at least one judge didn't go along with the hysteria. strangely poetic that their art, so connected to policy and reality, became more important and poignant than they ever intended. | |
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04/23/08
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mlbot
Well, this whole arrest thing is sickening... so obviously not a terrorist.
But I did see his Gene(sis) exhibit at the henry art gallery years back and i thought it was horrible.
horrible as in he played on peoples fears of science, in particular genetic engineering, with no understanding or research into the field at all. it was like a star trek episode where they pieced together 50 scientific-sounding words to make it sound scary.
What's more, he was proposing a hands-on experience that was laughed down, because he was apparently unkowingly trying to create transgenic yeast and then release them into the city. not bioterrorism per se, just really really stupid. There are laws against that sort of thing.
So, in effect, he was trying to drum up fear over the dangers of genetic engineering, and then circumvent the laws designed to prevent those dangers.
Might as well have an "art exhibit" about the dangers of loose gun control laws, then leave a bunch of loaded guns lying around. ART!!!!
04/23/08
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Roshi
mlbot said: "Might as well have an "art exhibit" about the dangers of loose gun control laws, then leave a bunch of loaded guns lying around. ART!!!!"
Sounds good. Let's set up a show like this in Gresham
04/23/08
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adcBicycle
man... good news.
it was pretty ridiculous that he was in there that long...
just watched "strange culture"... ok film, kind of strange how they used actors/real people though...
04/23/08
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mlbot
Mlbot presents:
ReFried You: The Dangers of Beans (An Art Installation Exhibit)
Where: Roshi's house
What: 500 cans of refried beans and 500 spoons arranged on a table.
Audience participation is encouraged.
When: from now until the FBI arrests me
04/23/08
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Roshi
Roll that beautiful bean footage
04/23/08
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astroid
thanks for the perspective, mlbot, i was hoping one of you alchemists would come in and rattle your magic sacks about this.
04/23/08
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mlbot
you couldn't stop me from rattling my magic sack if you tried.
Related note: PETA has just announced a 1 million dollar prize to the first person to develop in vitro meat... i.e. meat raised in a petri dish, not taken from a dead animal.
Apparently, though, much of PETA still believes that petri dish meat would be as bad as killing animals. Since, after all, its the molecular components that make animal tissue animal tissue, not the fact its tissue from an animal or not. ;)
04/23/08
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tantan
mlbot said: "Apparently, though, much of PETA still believes that petri dish meat would be as bad as killing animals. Since, after all, its the molecular components that make animal tissue animal tissue, not the fact its tissue from an animal or not. ;)"
Seriously? That's a somewhat moronic perspective, in my opinion. How exactly can meat suffer w/out a brain to process nerve impulses and the like?
Although, this may be a can of worms and I may regret calling it moronic.
04/23/08
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mlbot
i think its moronic, too. Although as I have seen recently, people will define stuff the way that suits them.
Apparently eating myosin is inherently evil to some people.
Me, I think there's a greater change of plants being alive and sentient than muscle-in-a-tube.
But then I'm an evil scientist hell bent on controlling your minds, selling you drugs and turning you all into Black-Metal-Worshipping-Demonspawn.
04/23/08
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astroid
mlbot said: "
What's more, he was proposing a hands-on experience that was laughed down, because he was apparently unkowingly trying to create transgenic yeast and then release them into the city. not bioterrorism per se, just really really stupid. There are laws against that sort of thing."
what laws are they? why weren't they used? i'd assume it falls under some kind of civil code for the city? my thoughts about all of this is that mr. kurtz kind of 'artistically' stumbled into the realm of public discourse in a much more massive and effective way than his star trek exhibits could have ever done. what if he had been shut down by some sort of agricultural inspector-who had just given him a fine and a public shaming? that would have been a more sane society, no?
04/23/08
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tantan
mistah kurtz, he dead
wait that's wrong
04/23/08
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tantan
mlbutt -- it starts to feel like a gameshow, "Which is the more sentient lifeform!" There should be some sort of objective ranking criteria for sentientness so that we have a measuring stick for our degrees of cruelty
04/23/08
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mlbot
The federal Govt has laws, and the NIH has stipulations, and even a few states (CA, FL) add more laws regarding the proper quarantine of pathogens, transgenic animals/plants/cells, etc...
I can't take my Insulin-producing pigs home and release them into the wild, for instance. Nor could I take home a tube of anthrax, my green-glowing lab mice or even pour my preti dishes full of cells I've introduced DNA into down the drain.
Depending on what you are using, you are regulated by the FDA, the EPA, or the USDA. For instance:
Feds said: "TSCA Biotechnology Program functions is titled "Microbial Products of Biotechnology; Final Regulation Under the Toxic Substances Control Act", promulgated in the Federal Register on April 11, 1997."
04/23/08
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mlbot
my petri dishes are pretty.
04/23/08
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cbit
mlbot said: "So, in effect, he was trying to drum up fear over the dangers of genetic engineering, and then circumvent the laws designed to prevent those dangers."
goddam artists!
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