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steve kurtz cleared of charges
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crazy business. i just watched a docu on this feller, googl'd and found out that yesterday, he was cleared of being the next bin laden.
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it's revolting that they dragged this guy through the justice system for four years, but relieving that at least one judge didn't go along with the hysteria. strangely poetic that their art, so connected to policy and reality, became more important and poignant than they ever intended. | |
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04/23/08
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mlbot
I'm developing an army of meat golems to destroy them all
04/23/08
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tantan
okay I'll do it since nobody else is
Is steak grown in test tubes called "Tube Steak"?
04/23/08
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mlbot said: "I'm developing an army of meat golems to destroy them all"
lol!
i would imagine that the PETA folks who disapprove of the in vitro meat are taking the perspective that genetically engineered foods are bad in general. I see this view more as an offshoot of the movement to produce organic food than animal protection. I have met several people who take this perspective, some of whom are veggie. this is one arguemnt against this kind of thing, i don't know if it's what the PETA ppl think.
04/23/08
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Otterfan
Actually, the two biggest arguments from PETA members against artificial meat have been animal-rights based.
The first is a vague "break the addiction to meat" argument:
NY Times article said: "Lisa Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she was part of the heated exchange. "My main concern is, as the largest animal rights organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the philosophy and hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat.""
Lots of veggies--especially the most vocal ones--are just disgusted by the idea of eating meat.
The other big argument is that test tube meat will require killing lots of animals for testing and developing "meat cultures", so you're just transferring the animal deaths from one industry to another. If test-tube meat never takes off (or doesn't sell), you might end up jut increasing the number of animals killed.
I'm all in favor of test-tube meat. I'm an on-and-off pseudo-vegetarian, but for environmental reasons.
04/23/08
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mlbot
I've grown muscle in a petri dish... it even flexes if you give it the right drugs.
I've known folks who grow heart tissue that begins to beat on its own.
What if it were made it from human tissue? Would Soylent Green be PETA-safe?
04/23/08
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Otterfan
I think right now the masterminds at PETA are already figuring out a way that this can justify putting more naked models out in Times Square.
04/23/08
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tantan
Otterfan said: "I think right now the masterminds at PETA are already figuring out a way that this can justify putting more naked models out in Times Square."
Excellent. We need more ideas that will inspire them thusly.
04/23/08
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j_chot
this thread has drifted off subject, and my comment is even FURTHER off subject, but....
can we lock him up for being a shitty artist?
04/24/08
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bla
how does this science meat eat? does it absorb living tissue and grow bigger? or does it feed off electricity (and grow bigger)?
has any of it escaped yet?
04/24/08
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tantan
"science meat" omg
this is becoming my favorite thread ever
04/24/08
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mlbot
You coat the bottom of a petri dish with all sorts of cool proteins like fibronectin and other stuff that surrounds your muscles nbormally.
Then you fill it full of what is essentially gator-aid, stick them in a refrigerator set to body temperature instead of cooler...
and then you keep everything very sterile and you can grow muscle cells in a dish.
Now, getting those cells to form something as complex and organized as a muscle is something I haven't seen done.
04/24/08
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mlbot
mlbot said: "
and then you keep everything very sterile and you can grow muscle cells in a dish. "
This is what prevents the science meat from invading your home and stealing your valuables.
It is so delicate that if you drink a microbrew and then come back to work, no amount of gloves or ethanol washes can seem to rpevent that one little yeast cell from getting into your nice warm gatorade and, in a matter of days, dividing into 10 billion years cells, which out-compete the slow, stupid muscle cells.
04/24/08
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astroid
mlbot said: " one little yeast cell from getting into your nice warm gatorade and, in a matter of days, dividing into 10 billion yeast cells, which out-compete the slow, stupid muscle cells."
that's why i can't stand near loaves of bread
04/25/08
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Analog
I had a thought recently.
I think i'm right in saying that, in the US, the use of hormones to enhance meat production is routine, more so than the UK.
These hormones work by making the animal that they're in want to eat more so it grows more meat on it.
Then you kill the animal and sell it as meat.
Then the hormones are in the meat and the people eat it all up.
The hormones in the people make them want to eat more, working in the same way as they did in the animals.
Everyone gets really fat and buys lots more cheep meat and some cunt makes loads of money.
I'm sure this theory is fundamentally flawed in many painfully obvious ways, so i'm quite prepared to be shot down and crushed. Obviously it's not based on any scientific knowledge, fact or research. But there's got to be a point there?
04/25/08
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tantan
analog -- it's pretty common to hear US parents jokingly finger "the growth hormones" when they comment on the surprising immensity of their children, in both height and weight, so obviously a lot of people have considered this possibility
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