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Ive just finished watching this documentary about how Blair and his new labour cronies have dismantled every civil liberty that has been hard fought for in the UK, in just under 10 years.
Take the time out to watch it:
Taking Liberties
Also, just found the official website: link | |
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05/05/08
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elronhubbard
lol. nice, monty
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cbit
the last word always belongs to The Shout.
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slp
glad to see a film taking on this topic. but im a bit dissapointed, all in all. heres why:
- the choice of music is terrible, imo.
- too much personal blair stuff. Blair was imo simply the guy in that position at that time, and thats it. It was not 'his' plan to take away liberties. He just belongs to those 99.99% of politicians who say what they 'have to' (also known as lying). In other words, blair is not the crux of the problem. Ok, i know, theyre not saying this. But - theres still too much of that in there imo. I would have prefered the 'why all this' question to get a bit more time instead more 'funny' blair talks and t-shirts.
- They accept the official 911 story. Which is very central to the topic. No, im not saying it needs to explore so-called 'conspiracy theories'. But it could at least acknowledge that - 6.5 years after - we still have no answer nor explanations for very serious questions such as the 'collapes' of WTC7. Would that hurt their 'credibility' ? I dont think so.
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Zanf
The choice of music is down to the producers of the docu and i would hazard a guess that they are bigger fans of civil liberties than music ;)
As for the 'truth behind 9/11' & London tube bombings, I think its irrelevent whether it was truely an islamic fundamentalist attack or false flag state terror, it is how the situation was manipulated by the state to erode civil liberties. Getting bogged down in exploring the true identity of the perpetrators would detract greatly from that subject and has been covered by many other documentaries.
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slp
I think its irrelevent whether it was truely an islamic fundamentalist attack or false flag state terror, it is how the situation was manipulated by the state to erode civil liberties.
From a 'technical' perspective , it might be irrelevant. BUT, from PEOPLEs perspective, it is far from that.
I couldn't disagree more. I think as long as people fear 'islamic fundamentalists' want to kill them for 'their freedoms', this is not gonna stop, and will be accepted.
BUT: I really did NOT mean that they should have explored it all. Just to point out that theres questions, and millions of people who actually do no longer believe the myth. Thats it really. 20 seconds .
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Zanf
Im not saying that the subject doesnt need to be explored just not in this docu. When they said about Reichstag being burnt down under a false flag alert and the state 'reaction', it alludes enough to the fact that governments will use anything as a knee jerk reaction to stripping civil liberties. Also, with the brothersd who were shot in east london and then vilified in the press afterwards [accusations of being paedophiles, etc etc - the same with all the lies that came out after the shooting of Jean Charles De Menedez - which I am saddened that they didnt cover at all]
If they did explore the false flag alert more than they did, it would have endangered them being put in a position where the vast majority who watched this would have been alienated and blown it off as 'another conspiracy nut film'.
I think its an increbily informative docu for people who have been asleep and if they see it, will hopefully inspire them to dig deeper.
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slp
If they did explore the false flag alert more than they did, it would have endangered them being put in a position where the vast majority who watched this would have been alienated and blown it off as 'another conspiracy nut film'.
i know what you mean. Which is why i said that i do not blame them for not going into the issue. Not at all, its really just a little acknowledgement that i would have liked to see/hear, when the topic comes up. Theres other 'non-conspiracy' documentaries that do this too. They dont have to stear off into 'conspiracy land' to acknowledge that theres a growing 'movement' of people who disagree on the *very base* event , instead of just ignoring all this. It would not have required to give more time to the 911 issue. And it would NOT have required to take a stand for a side.
But anyway, i dont mean critizise the whole movie so harsh, if it sounds like that. All in all, its still an interesting docu, which ill recommend to some for sure.. Thanx for posting the link
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Zanf
No worries - I think its nothing but healthy to discuss such things - personally, I used to get incredibly frustrated with people that clung to 'flat earth' views despite all the evidence to the contrary. Now I understand that it is incredibly scary for those people to have everything you have thought and held been told is true, to be shown to be an absolute lie. Its all a big confidence trick - even when its shown to you to be so, it takes a while before it really sinks in and the denial stage can be an incredibly long time.
What I do find incredibly annoying about most docu's like this [well, pretty much all of them] is that they have the intent of stirring you up but then just direct you to organisations that are completely fucking pointless.
Let me expand on that:
2002 I went on the anti-'invade Iraq' demonstration in London with about 2 millions others. What happened after that was fuck all. 'Stop the War' just said "yeah! lets have another demonstration next week" but if having 2 million people in London doesnt sway the mind of the government that what they are doing is not with teh consent of the public then having another one next week is just going to do more of the same.
What they should have said was "if everyone is up for it then on the lead up to the war [whilst troops were gathering], we will bring this country to a standstill for one day every week until they back down from this illegal action. If they will not listen to the people then they will have to face widespread civil disobedience."
But no, all those fucking pussies did was "ok everyone, lets gather here next week for a march around the block waving our banners until they stop".
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cbit
zanf said: "What they should have said was "if everyone is up for it then on the lead up to the war [whilst troops were gathering], we will bring this country to a standstill for one day every week until they back down from this illegal action. If they will not listen to the people then they will have to face widespread civil disobedience.""
Do you know pledgebank? its a site that collects 'promises' from people who will do X if N other people promise to do the same. It the target is met, the action goes ahead. This kind of model might work well for planning a more disruptive protest. ("I promise not to go to work on [date] if X other people promise to do the same, in protest at the UK's involvement in Y").
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papergoose
it's not just the UK, of course. It's the US, Australia, New Zealand, and many more that are systematically losing their rights.
Globalism, anyone?
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Zanf
Didnt know about that Tomasz. Will look it up.
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quip
cheers for posting this.
zanf - i agree on your statement on people that are "asleep". I have pissed alot of people off with my rantings about civil liberties and the war on terror. I learnt the hard way that most people aren't prepared to drop their crutches and stop believing in the total bullshit that is modern western life.
some people simply do not want to know about it. their life is fine as they see it. they got a mortgage to pay remember, why would they question anything?
Which brings me nicely to the current censorshop of Smash EDO, a film in UK cities. The police cite breach of certification laws for the stopping of Smash EDO, a film about a weapons company and the protests against it. This censorship is not anything to do with the fact that the police come across rather poorly in the film. My local social centre has been threatened with losing its licence for entertainment if a showing took place.
Watch out for it at a cinema near you.
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05/06/08
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lilt
i too have pissed off many many people just trying to get them to think that things could be another way
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slp
Its all a big confidence trick - even when its shown to you to be so, it takes a while before it really sinks in and the denial stage can be an incredibly long time.
Ahh, i know all too well what youre talking about. Indeed. Its 99% a 'psychological / emotional' issue. Pure logic , physics and common sense sure are not enough here like they usually are, it sits too deep and the implications are simply too much. Plus prejudice. And useful idiots like David Icke who make sure anyone who dares asking a common sense question is instantly put into the Lizard-freak corner.
05/07/08
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dach
They didn't mention that blair downgraded cannabis from a class B drug to a class C drug
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