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Maybe I've been playing with my sy77 too much, but recently I have been having thoughts that are like sounds. I guess this opposed to most internal dialogs, that are in English, in my head.
I was wondering if anybody else has sound thoughts? I guess it kinda relates to people who are multi lingual, who speak one language, and think in another, which I have always found interesting. I speak english, and I'm thinking in fm?
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bla
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Fredo
I think sound thoughts, or maybe they can be referred to more as dynamic thoughts, as they usually are more about abstract dynamics, are going on under the surface constantly for everybody. I wonder if, before each human being learned to organize their dynamic experience of life into language and specific ideas, this was what we were experiencing? And maybe that's part of the pleasure and freedom of music - it strips away that layer of language which tends to be more utilitarian. Not sure, but very interesting blog. Thanks! 
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ejectorset
i always have little melodies or rhythms in my head, i can't stop beatboxing or tapping on stuff, or humming, unless i am at a computer or instrument, then they all run away and hide. 
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sAMsKi
yep yep...know that feeling mister ejectorset
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bla
my head is full of techno but its not really like thinking in sound its more like im just entertaining myself listening to the music in my head
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breakscience
Sometimes I hear the air conditioner or some other constant noise and construct a pad sound in my head. Or I pitch it down in my head to see what it would sound like under a beat.
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bla
+ fredo is right- most of our thoughts are like sounds- the bit with the words is only a small part
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subset
well, technically words are sounds too... but yeah, I never really bought the idea that people think in words - I can't remember who the quote is from that I have often seen, maybe marshall mcluhan? Sorry, should have done some research before posting a reference...
I know I often don't think in words, and I would venture to say that everyone has at one time or another been grasping for words to describe what they're thinking. I can't accept that that means they thought the words and then instantly forgot them.
Being a visual person, I often think in pictures, and sometimes have to draw a diagram to help explain things to people. I think just the fact that people can be fluent in more than one language is proof enough that thought precedes language.
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lematt
that's a HUGE and TOUGH subject ! and i think my english is not good enough to really explain myself correctly about this.
i think thoughts and language are like an inseparable couple.
human being can't really build his mind without language, or only until a certain point. our present civilisation started to grow with the birth of oral language, that means with the ability of organising and sharing thoughts.
that process started to accelerate with written language, as it allowed the thoughts to be spread over quicker and further.
so for me language helps to build thoughts, language is human but overall human is language. i mean: if the word designing a concept wasn't existing, maybe we wouldn't have the thoughts linked to that concept ?
musical thoughts are more internal processes in my head, and i clearly feel that words and structured thoughts are in a different 'category' of thoughts than abstract thoughts like colors and musical thoughts.
also: in sound thoughts i clearly separate textures/timbral stuff, melodic stuff (and THAT have to do with language and culture), and rythms/structures (same > cultural).
oh f*ck ... i'm confused now. everything is so imbricated ... i'm sure there is massive books by Baudrillard, Adorno or Deleuze on the subject.
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Fredo
I think this is a question for ancient yogis...
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RogerRoger
Language is bridging the gap between semantics and syntax, meaning and expression, the abstract and the tangible, so I'm a little confused about whether or not the thoughts as sound you are experiencing are completely metaphysical or not.
By that I mean do they symbolize anything you have never experienced as sensory input, or are they conceptual ideas expressed as sounds you have already heard. Can you or anyone for that matter imagine sounds they have never physically heard? Would a deaf person ever experience thoughts this way?
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jmdaly
I don't know if I think sounds, but I do have audio hallucinations.
for instance I'll be listening to something with a white noise kind of quality to it, a fan, rain, sometimes nothing, and slowly complex overlaying sounds will start to emerge and collapse and become a repeating pattern.
this has started to happen more frequently as I've started working on more outlandish sound pattern type music.
so to me, I don't feel like I'm thinking the sounds but hearing them, which I guess doesn't make any sense because that would mean my ear is generating the noises, which I don't know if thats possible.
I've had different types of audio hallucinations though, but they have always somehow interconnected with the real sounds of the world.
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eyesnine
the mind is like light through a crystal, or electrons through a computer processor. no one is really "creative", we just reorganize the input we're given. sure, we think in terms of sounds. also, colour, form, language, emotion and anything else you happen to observe and recognize. by recognize, i mean to fit on top of the organization already present in the mind. in this way memory is a big recursive process.
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nagrom
"the mind is like light through a crystal, or electrons through a computer processor."
This is misleading. The mind is very different from a crystal or electronics through a processor in that it is autopoietic. It is a self-regenerating closed system that is perturbed from the outside. Surely you would agree that the the light that reaches your eye does not travel directly into your brain! As Maturana and Varela have said, the brain has no inputs and no outputs.
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