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So, it's a recession, gas crisis, a couple of really lousy presidents, American car makers struggling to downsize their fleet fast enough to meet demand for high efficiency vehicles, etc. There are a lot of things going on that make me think my era is going to resemble the 1970's. Not the least of which is an economic recession and a strong public outcry to end a foreign war that's been going on too long. It makes sense that the hobbies and interests of depressed eras will have a lot in common, and that economic recession will have americans looking back to see what others have done for fun or money when there wasn't a lot of either around. It seems like people's style starts to get a little more ornate and rich- less of the clean square lines of the 1950s, 80s, and 90s and more of the embellished edges. People start to see things like music and art in a different light- it's hard to take music seriously when you have so many people with real, serious, problems. So I expect to see a lot more dancing, and a lot more sounds of disco and folk. Probably even some "ironic" take on using an actual string section for disco strings in music.
I'm not the only one who has had this thought on my mind for awhile now, apparently. I'm seeing a total resurgence in late 1970s obsession with the 1930s. I'm also seeing things like rollerderby, silver-era stereo refurbishing, movies about the 1930's, rollerskates(not blades), and knee socks popping back up(or is that Bremerton?). I am even seeing 1970s furniture(probably the worst thing about the 1970s) start to get bought up and repainted. I assume everybody else sees the bigger picture when they start a rollerderby league- but they may not. So what I'm wondering is: what are the musical signs of this stylistic change?
I know it's still 3-5 years off, but the rumblings are here now. And if you want to make a buck from it, I'd jump on board.
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07/10/08
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kenrestivo
"I kinda look at politics and fashion and kids and music and have a sense of what will happen next."
This is a normal result of paying attention and studying history (and/or having walked the planet for more than a few decades). The trends and cycles and general patterns of human behaviour become pretty obvious.
Once you get a good feel for the ebb and flow over time of the activities of large aggregates of humans, you can plan around them and thus make life easier, safer, and/or more lucrative.
One of the trends I've noticed is that more people are becoming more aware of these patterns, at a younger age. I think this is a lot to do with the Internet and ready access to almost boundless information on, and deep history of, just about any topic, any time.
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Roshi
kenrestivo said: "This is a normal result of paying attention and studying history (and/or having walked the planet for more than a few decades). The trends and cycles and general patterns of human behaviour become pretty obvious.
Once you get a good feel for the ebb and flow over time of the activities of large aggregates of humans, you can plan around them and thus make life easier, safer, and/or more lucrative.
One of the trends I've noticed is that more people are becoming more aware of these patterns, at a younger age. I think this is a lot to do with the Internet and ready access to almost boundless information on, and deep history of, just about any topic, any time."
Indeed, it seems to be a new discipline: link
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jogn
personally i hope it reverts to a time when people were a lot more relaxed and cool with each other rather than all the bad attitudes, and chasing of commodified cultural cachet. Oh ... and less violence, and more jokes.
dunno is there a time in history when this was prevalent?
07/10/08
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tunalicker
lol @djugel "backwards and watered-down" - that sums it up.
i was mostly thinking less about politics and more about media.
its an entity, self declared and whatnot. its a powerful intellectual force, yet produces nothing. no results, no findings, no change.
now, it is a salesman for drool-cup retirement home bedpan materials with music to match. its really too bad.
and 80s cocaine and bad hair: Forget logging the amazon. The damage done by cocaine production there causes millions of gallons of kerosene, pesticides and toxins to residually destroy anything in the water of tributaries and the amazon. its a miracle frogs there don't have three heads by now. I looked into the huallaga basin region for a little bit. Buy more coffee, less cocaine is the moral of the story.
cocaine deaths rise mostly in college age and sectors of wealth. too bad for the college kids.
07/11/08
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NoSpin
deltasleep said: "I just can't buy into the "everybody has a micro movement in their pocket" theory, because frankly, most people don't give two shits about what they listen to or look at... I'm not interested in what art and communication majors will be listening to in their dorms, I'm talking about pop culture as a whole. I'm talking about pennystinker culture here. I'm hearing the same music from cars that I've heard for years now- "
to me, the whole micro movement stuff means that there will be less people actually taking "pop culture" seriously.
it will just be left for those that don't want to try to hard, and that means it wont really need to evolve very much...
as long as there is a handful of easily understandable 'identities' to choose from, that'll be sufficient.
pop culture is kind of a dumb concept anyway,
just because one album is selling the most, that doesn't mean that the majority of people are buying or enjoying that album.
in fact, it probably means EVERYBODY is aware of that album and most choose not to purchase or enjoy it... the percentage of the population following any given pop culture trend is actually pretty low.
the rest of the population is just splintered off in so many different directions, that they don't look like the majority
sure, you hear a lot of the same music coming from cars... if i drive past 10 cars, and 5 of them are listening to kanye, and each of the other 5 are listening to completely different things that i've never even heard of before, i will walk away saying "everybody is listening to kanye". but just as many, (if not more) are not listening to him.
back to the micro movements, the kids i'm around seem to be interested in pretty much anything and everything new with a little bit of buzz... but are pretty cautious to jump full into any one thing. they are also very wary of anything remotely stagnant. they just kind of take what they like from any given corner of independent music and move on. maybe that is the defining characteristic of these times?
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i dunno. i travel quite a bit and find that its pretty much the same wherever you go, in europe.
you got kids into cars - listening to commercial hiphop and happy hardcore stuff.
then theres indy kids listening to watered down guitar shite. mostly. but some of its probably
not so bad. but theres fucking loads of it in the uk and its miserable ugly music.
then theres the ravers out on a limb a bit. into jungle or maybe trance.
dubstep too. they go to raves still and get mashed up.
emo kids like all that emo stuff. its shit but let them be miserable i say. and at least they like the cure,
sometimes. they get killed in the uk for wearing makeup by chavs. so they must be doing something good.
i dont see people doing alot else. but then i hate cliques. when people ask me what music i make i say
"techno" and what i like i say dire straits and fleetwood mac.
all this fad stuff is created by the media so we go an buy the same old shit, again.
the 70s was dire in many ways, stop kicking the corpse i say. make some music, if its rubbish so what. at least you tried.
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deltasleep
i guess what i'm surprised about is that I don't hear almost any new music- it seems to mostly be about 5-10 years old. I live at an intersection, btw. Hence my obsession with what comes out of cars. And I'm not interested, per se, so much as I have a morbid fascination with the musical tastes of those who do not care about music.
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Analog
i only listen to BBC Radio 4 in my car.
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deltasleep said: "i guess what i'm surprised about is that I don't hear almost any new music- it seems to mostly be about 5-10 years old. I live at an intersection, btw. Hence my obsession with what comes out of cars. And I'm not interested, per se, so much as I have a morbid fascination with the musical tastes of those who do not care about music."
this also limits you to hearing whatever clearchannel et al. works for their market. we have shit for radio in chicago except the college stations (which can still suck) and NPR so you're bound not to hear anything good because of that alone.
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deltasleep
this is very true, jarvis. but to be fair, the vast majority of americans are listening to ClearChannel. And I'm bummed that my college radio station here in town appears to only play commercial sounding dance music and try to sound like a commercial station in every way possible. I liked my college radio in nashville, where they would accidentally have the left channel unplugged for four hours, or broadcast dead air for an hour because somebody didn't show up on time.
I'll be interested to see how much effect the internet will really have on pop culture's tendency toward movement. Because we're all musicians who spend a lot of time with electronics and online, I'm guessing that we're overestimating its effect.
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NoSpin
deltasleep said: "the vast majority of americans are listening to ClearChannel. And I'm bummed that my college radio station here in town appears to only play commercial sounding dance music and try to sound like a commercial station in every way possible. I liked my college radio in nashville, where they would accidentally have the left channel unplugged for four hours, or broadcast dead air for an hour because somebody didn't show up on time."
you are in bremerton? what college station are you talking about? i'm gonna guess c89.5, which blows yes...
but kexp is marvelous though.... are you the one that just moved over here?
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deltasleep
yeah I'm the one that just moved out here- i love it! 89.5 plays a 24 stream of dance music that I don't like, and tries to polish it up like it's top 40. I didn't know I was spoiled by my nashville dance dj- i just thought I liked dance music. I'll check out KEXP though, thanks!
Bremerton is a lot like most of the frumpy towns in the midwest I've lived in. Except here I can be in the mountains or in downtown seattle in under and hour. I think the city's got a big future, though.
It's been interesting to work in a really rural, remote place and then play in downtown seattle.
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delta- glad you are finding your way and taking advantage of the area. make the most of summer. it won't last. ;)
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deltasleep said: "yeah I'm the one that just moved out here- i love it! 89.5 plays a 24 stream of dance music that I don't like, and tries to polish it up like it's top 40. I didn't know I was spoiled by my nashville dance dj- i just thought I liked dance music. I'll check out KEXP though, thanks!
Bremerton is a lot like most of the frumpy towns in the midwest I've lived in. Except here I can be in the mountains or in downtown seattle in under and hour. I think the city's got a big future, though.
It's been interesting to work in a really rural, remote place and then play in downtown seattle."
is bremerton rural? i always thought it was a suburb or something
link
cant recommend it enough... they have an excellent website, where everything that aired during that last two weeks is available to listen online 'on demand', with complete tracklistings and links to purchase most of the music... also, a ton of in studio performances from some great musicians.
if you want electronic/dance check out the show "expansions," sunday nights from 9 pm - midnight,
three rotating dj's, all excellent, all eclectic tastes
and check out their other programs, i'm sure they've got something for you, my fav's are "Expansions," "Sonarchy," "jazz theatre," "wo' pop," and "positive vibrations".
early morning and mid day programming is pretty general indie rock, some local stuff, some indie electronic and hip hop and what not...
dj's to look for, Dj Riz, Masa, Kid Hops, El Toro, and John....
i'll leave you alone now... but i dont think you'll be disappointed checking any of that out.
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nightowl
my only concern with the revival of the 70's is i hope the clothes styles, haircuts, and platform shoes
don't come with it.
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