Electronic Music 411 - Gay? - homo, ghey, gay, queer, jdg

huck said: "There is nothing more powerful than ambiguity. Sex is ambiguity. To all of you who deny ambiguity with your bombastic and fascistic views, I politely disagree, but in private I am inspired to fantasize about opening up your shirt, taking off your belt... a lot of other animistic dreamy stuff ensues. Happy now?"

absolutely and back to my view of a continuum

and yes its the variaty of urges and interests that make a private sex life so interesting

i think a lot of the electronic music we deliver here is also ambiguous and contains mismatched and contradictory influences that form new and wonderful creative avenues.... freud would suggest that alot of creative energy is the result of sublimated sexual energy that gets spent making new music/art/writing as an outlet for the primitive instinct to copulate

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edited: Aug 24 2006 + cbit

soft said: "i dont like it because its a pointless circular arguement that no one can win"

you can engage in discussion not to win but to understand one another better. arguments are only really 'won' in debating clubs as far as i know..eg. there are lots of strands/ideas that have been brought up in the posts so far, some ideas that i wouldnt have popped into my head if i'd been thinking about these things alone.

soft said: "and 12 pages? its not worth 1 page."

i don't understand who you're complaining to/against/about here. what does a page cost? what exactly isn't worth 12 pages? the post that started the thread? are the responses not worth their page space?

this might sound like an attack; i think i react strongly to this because the 'worst thread evar' meme irritates me, it's the worst response evar ;) because it's dismissive without giving any clue about why you don't like it. if you're not satisfied with a discussion then you have the power to influence the direction of the thread yourself, by engaging with something that someone has said.. or you can ignore it.

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edited: Aug 24 2006 + soft

i didnt mean 'win' really. i just meant come to a sucessful conclusion or whatever

i mean the whole thing isnt worth the energy spent on discussing weather or not it is ok to be intollerant of intollerance etc etc etc
it could go on forever
and being gay or not is inconsequential...to me anyway.

much better threads get lost fast...but this keeps popping back to the front page.

and i said 'worst blog ever' ;)

that is all i have to say on the matter.

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edited: Aug 24 2006 + Jetsom

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edited: Aug 24 2006 + cbit

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08/24/06 + TecknoMan

Awesome discussion -- just like the olden days! ;-)

I just wanted to say about the "not tolerating intolerance" thing, which I've spent probably hundreds of hours milling over in my life -- that the people who say "if we tolerate (what we deem) intolerance, then our very society will be threatened" reminds me a lot of people who say, for instance, "if we tolerate things that go against our (historical) God, then our very society will be threatened".

In the end they've both got an inherent moral belief, and anyone who disagrees is a Heretic. Both of these kinds of people are here to stay, and neither one will ever convince the other. Therefore, I think that a "true tolerance" (tolerating even those who disagree with you -- which sounds a lot like the Liberty those old guys like Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin talked about) is the best medicine.

Don't get me wrong, I like the liberal mindset. But, I think it was only good to get us to a certain point. Now, I think that same mindset has to be taken, and evolved a notch.

edited: Aug 24 2006 + soft

at cbits edited away post....

so....
everyone else is allowed to voice their opinion about anything they wish.
....but i should keep mine to myself unless you agree that it is a valid opinion?

jetsom - why edit that away? there were some good points in there...and a nice quote too.

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08/24/06 + filarion

yeah man, get an opinion the rest can tolerate, duh.

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08/24/06 + room

soft said: "so....
everyone else is allowed to voice their opinion about anything they wish.
....but i should keep mine to myself unless you agree that it is a valid opinion?"

don't be soft

;)

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edited: Aug 24 2006 + soft

screw you guys....im goin home

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edited: Aug 24 2006 + cbit

soft said: "so....
everyone else is allowed to voice their opinion about anything they wish.
....but i should keep mine to myself unless you agree that it is a valid opinion?"

if i think anyone's reasoning is faulty and they dont seem aware of it, i'll try to point that out (and maybe i'll learn some important infomation that makes sense of it, or turns around what i thought i knew, in the process). i hope people would do the same when reading my posts too.

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edited: Aug 24 2006 + cbit

TecknoMan said: " I think that a "true tolerance" (tolerating even those who disagree with you -- which sounds a lot like the Liberty those old guys like Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin talked about) is the best medicine."

tm: do you think its necessary to tolerate a power working to establish a new intolerant order (a dictatorship for example) if you knew you could remove that threat by 'not tolerating' it?

My feeling is that it's 'right' to not tolerate in that case. ie. a society that is tolerant except when tolerating threatens the continued existance of that tolerant society.

like filarion mentioned earlier though, theres a problem with this: it's not clear who has the authority to decide when something is a threat to a tolerant society or not.

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08/24/06 + bsr

edited: Aug 24 2006 + Jetsom

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