Electronic Music discussion: How to Make a Mix Translate Monitored by KRK RP8 Speakers
Written October 27 2011
I've learned the hard hard way with these discount jumbo specials.
1. Abandon attempts to make the speaker sound good with clever placement. If they sound good, be afraid.
2. Push speakers back against the wall. Yes they have that fancy front port. Does not matter. Push speaker back against the wall until the bass is no longer clear and separable, but a mushy headache throb. Congratulations: that is how they need to sound. To listen to your ipod, move speaker forward 2 feet.
3. Turn high frequency filter all the way down. Turn volume up. Make mixes sound shrill and terrible. When your mix can communicate with dogs, bingo, now your mix will no longer be murky on other systems. But it still will not be sparkling or clear. Forget about that.
4. Forget all dreams of clever stereo imaging. If it happens, it will be by accident and you will not capture a stereo image on the monitors. Think like Luke with the blast shield over his eyes: feel the Force. 5 times out of 10 you will be pointing in the Northerly direction.
5. Don't read Gearslutz posts about puting KRK monitors on their side. Waste of time. Does not matter if on side, front, back etc. See 4 above.
ha yes interesting.
well you know I really bet it has to do with your room. If you're in a relatively small room with no acoustic treatment it won't matter what speakers you have, bass will sound like shit. My buddy who does great techno mixes always does the bass on his sony headphones with hyped bass, it works well.. i've thought about trying to get some.
you should get a boombox and mix through that half the time.
I mixed my last (and only full length) album on krk rp 6's...mastering guy said my mixes made his job easier.
I love em....all I need is a sub to go with it.....
mackie hr828's are niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice....
j_chot, have hear that the rp6's avoid the issue of the 8s.
monkvolacano...have treated the room. the issue here is that the rp8s need to be backed up against a wall.
not meant as a complaint about krk. like i said, if your play an ipod through them...for 350 a pair, what a ridiculously good deal.
the post is a reaction to the absence of clear advice about placing them on the web or otherwise. these babies can help you mix, but absolutely must have a wall behind them, or else the listening field is projected far away from the typical nearfield setup.
for my setup, this has meant violating some other rules of placement (objects in between me and the monitors introducing reflecting waves) to restore the otherwise reasonable sonic signature of these beasties.
the high frequency issue is well known...and i find to be less critical...as one can intuitively compensate. the mid to low bass frequency issue on the rp8 can cause serious trouble however.
i recall advice on this list to use scopes to search out problems...i've downloaded bluecat audio's scope and am going to try that.
i have no doubt that many great records have been mixed on these...so have no intention on selling them or trashing them. just learning how to use them and sharing!
monkvolcano...actually u r right. i should have a listening station with hyped bass to detect bass-gigantisms previously undetected.
I'm sorry to hear your mixing troubles rrooyyccee. I know how much of a nightmare it can be.
Unfortunately, I don't know there's really a way to monitor clearly on the cheep, even with headphones.
For what it's worth, I'd rather have dark mixes than those that are too bright. It's still frustrating as hell when they sound murky though.
j_chot has always had really nice mixes.. he's got a knack fer it.
here's another thing you could try.. low pass the whole mix w/ a real clean lowpass when you're focusing on bass.
that trick works because you can only have so much going on in the bass so you can just set it and forget it yo.
1.- 5.: my mixing setup's that way no matter what monitors i'm on!
tylth i do not understand your comment :/
me neither !
yeah I keep the highs cut down pretty low on my rp 6's
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