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04/07/08
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lysdexic
About to purchase a dedicated live & studio rig, running live & cubase. Wondering whether to format and install Win XP or not.
realistically, we can't run XP forever. Are there any advantages to keeping vista?
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mlbot
race4prize said: "
i sort of expect a new os not to run perfectly with software designed for older ones. take OSX, everytime a new one comes out, jaguar, tiger, leopard or whatever, always always always caused me headaches at college."
Thats why I got sick of mac. My software was in a constant state of being for the wrong OS.
Ableton Live 7 works great on Vista. I don't know about Cubase. but you gotta have good drivers for your soundcard. M-audio people are kinda screwed right now. Soundblaster is too busy sueing people making Vista drivers for their hardware. Presonus = great.
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license
I guess my point is, I don't see how proactively installing and using Vista, or even complacently using a pre-installed copy, is better than using XP. maybe as new software comes out made specifically for Vista, the experience will improve, but for most applications the climate for this is not good and I doubt it will get any better.
edit: besides the driver issues, of course. always the damn drivers.
04/08/08
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mlbot
license said: " mlbot said: "Vista, with a little tuning, runs Ableton Live just as well as XP."
this is what is acceptable for a new OS? for it to run as well as an older one, after some tuning?"
I'm not running 64bit audio, which is one improvement.
Really, what do you want out of an OS? You want it to make music for you? ;)
There are some improvements to audio handling with Vista that no software has taken advantage of yet.
for those on the Ableton forums:
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cliff notes on why Vista could be better than XP:
1. better thread processing / CPU management for programs
2. Multimedia class scheduler will help prevent audio dropouts, when software utilizes it.
3. File i/o prioritization improvements (background apps take less CPU now, and programs can reserve HD bandwidth, something you can't do in XP, which is very important for HD-hogs like DAWs)
4, WaveRT Drivers: possibly better than ASIO, but none exist yet.
5. 64bit audio, as if 32 weren't enough.
04/08/08
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mlbot
Also, License: uninstalling Vista and installing XP is actually some work. You gotta make sure, on a new computer, that XXP drivers even exist for the HD, the CD Drive, etc..
Also, Vista does have a bunch of security improvemtns over XP (some are a bit intrusive) for anyone who internets.
i have yet to see any software that is Vista-only or XP-only (but then I am not searching much). All my XP software runs in Vista just fine. Its not like Mac when you jumped from OS9 to OSX, then to Tiger, then to leopard, then to Liger, which is my favorite animal/band right now.
Bottom line: its just a freakin' OS. Its the software that matters to me. It may not be as nice looking as mac, but it was a lot cheaper and all I use is Ableton Live.
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license
excellent answers! thanks, mlbot.
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tantan
mlbot said: "Thats why I got sick of mac. My software was in a constant state of being for the wrong OS."
That's a silly gripe, hardly a Mac-specific issue. I have corrupted entire Windows installations and killed many applications simply by installing new service packs.
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mlbot
on your work computer, or your music laptop?
meh, you can have that one point, lets not go into a mac vs PC debate on a Vista vs XP thread.
i dont let my music computer try to update itself anyway.
04/08/08
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tantan
my mac's mom can beat up your pc's mom
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mlbot
nu uhhh
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dkarma
lol I hate when people say things like "you cant run [insert OS here]" forever WTF not?
I don't update my version of xp. I'm not even running sp2. It is always connected to the internet. The idea that I'll have to stop using xp because of [insert issue here] is a joke given that all my stuff works under xp now why would it stop working in the future. Obviously new drivers and programs will require new os's updates, etc, but the tradeoff is not always worth it [insert company not making vista drivers comment here].
My rig works well now with nearly all the software I want to use (except reason 4.0...it requires sp2) it is not going to stop working w/ this current software becuase M$ stops "supporting" it.
long story short - stop believing what os manufacturers tell you.
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bodo
the bad thing is always when your computer dies and you're forced to upgrade your system
I remember that I held onto os 9 for a very long time for music making, because it was stable and didn't tax my trusty powerbook g4 as much as os x
but then it died, and I had to upgrade a lot of stuff, which was a bit costly and didn't run as smooth in the beginning
still hoping that this iMac G5 will hold it for a long time (not considering even upgrading to tiger here)
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sweettrip
yeah, the only reason i'm running xp is because i had a complete system crash with win2k, and when it came time to reinstall, i just said fuckit, xp it is...
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korgborglar
i built a high end laptop a couple months ago for the same reasons as you and installed vista on it. most everything worked great, all my audio apps worked smoothly at ridiculously low latency, and i never had anything crash on me. however, i coulnd't find any video drivers that weren't buggy. whenever i'd move or resize a window, mouse response got real sluggish, even though audio process kept running without hiccups. and random shit would make it sluggish, like playing a youtube video on a blog and trying to scroll down the page. it was annoying enough i had to go back to xp... everythign runs fine now, but my built in audio card was built for vista and works real shitty in xp, like 20-30 ms latency if i wanna use many vsts vs 5 ms in vista. my firewire interface works just fine tho...
moral of story, if you're buying a new high-end computer, going with xp or vista comes down to which os has better drivers for your hardware
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lysdexic
mlbot said: "Ableton Live 7 works great on Vista. I don't know about Cubase. but you gotta have good drivers for your soundcard. M-audio people are kinda screwed right now. Soundblaster is too busy sueing people making Vista drivers for their hardware. Presonus = great."
thats good to hear, i'll mostly be running live 7 and i have a firebox.
cheers for your input mlbot, its making me feel better about running vista.. got any tips or good resources for customizing vista for an audio production only machine?
and WTF @ macaronisoft releasing completely new OS next year.. D:
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