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07/20/08 +  ssb0
what are actuall differences nowadays?
i'm a total noob when it comes to programming but i really wan't to learn because i have a couple of ideas i can't realise in live.
so i was interested in max but i totally can't afford it. and then i saw pd(pure data).
is it so hard to learn that i would be better of sticking that time into working for an actual boss to make the money for max/msp or aren't the differences that big?
i wan't to use it for live sampling purposes(easy sampling of musicians and easy messing with that audio). maybe their are people using pd for that who can tell me more?
 
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07/20/08 +  elronhubbard
its funny that you bring this thread out now

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07/20/08 +  slp
its a question of lifestyle and politics indeed, more so than what it can do, maybe.
max/msp is for designer whimps , art school students , media-funkers , mac users and those who want to sound exactly like their favourite artist on trendy label x.Hence the pretty look and hence the very deep documentation.
pd is for nerds and noise-geeks. hence little documentation and no pretty look.

Both are excellent imo
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07/20/08 +  elronhubbard
i support max/msp because im an uber capitalist. and because autechre told me to.
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07/20/08 +  lematt
i started learning pd by myself like 6 monthes ago. at the beginning i was thinking "wtf, it's too complicated", but i managed really quickly to achieve some stuff: sequencers, and sampling machines, and weird noise stuff, and i can tell you it's not that hard to learn.

my opinion is to download pd-extended (the nightly build have a nice look too )

finally, as i had the money, i bought maxmsp 5.

the main difference are the help files (nearly perfect in max) and just about audio manipulation there is objects which make things easier than pd (waveform, groove~ etc...) but with the tables and the arrays you can really get to the same results with puredata.

a lot of things, especially the interface, have been improved in pure data, and sometimes i even prefer the pd interface.

anyway: pure data is free, and once you've learnt pd a bit, it's easy to switch from one to another, so if it was me i would try pd and later switch to maxmsp.
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07/20/08 +  lematt
also, if you're on PC, i would really recommend Usine ( link )

there is a free version, and really that software is one of the only things that i miss since i switched from PC to Mac. it's really good for sampling and audio manipulation. i mean REALLY good. and much easier to learn than pd or max.
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07/20/08 +  slp
vvvv is another option on win: link
has vst support too
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07/20/08 +  slp
more 'optimized' for video stuff tho
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07/20/08 +  ssb0
usine looks quite nice. but i just switched to OSX and wan't to stick to that. is their something like that on OSX maybe?
and what about jMax? read about that lately, but it's a bit outdated or something?

think i will try out pd at the moment as i'm doing (it's seems really difficult indeed) and if it works for me switch to max later when i have the money, if thats worth it.

lematt said: " my opinion is to download pd-extended (the nightly build have a nice look too ) "
what's that nightly built?
07/20/08 +  kenrestivo
PD is free, as in freedom. That counts for a lot with me.

It's also a newer codebase, and one that the original developer (Miller Puckette) is still actively developing and participating in mailing lists about.

However, if you use Live, didn't MAX just get bought by them? So it might make more sense to go that route.
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07/21/08 +  lematt
max didn't get bought by Live....
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07/21/08 +  packetst0rm
I don't think cycling have been brought out but they are working together...

I just could not get on with PD at all I tried so many times get a hold of it. Max/msp was much easier to get a grasp on...in my personal opinion you can try PD but it might put you off. Max is amazing...get it!
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07/21/08 +  lematt
and yeah about Jmax: it's not supported anymore.
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07/21/08 +  slp
noone mentioned bidule so far?
link
for uber complex algorhytmic stuff pd or max is probably better, but bidule is pretty simple to get into, and pretty powerfull too. certainly can do live-sampling stuff
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07/21/08 +  packetst0rm
Well if we are going to mention that...you've got to mention reaktor! You have to use core elements to get use sound buffers though which is a bit disappointing.

One of my favourite features on max was that I could feed into a buffer live and sample from it.
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