A community for electronic music production, modular synthesis, sdiy and more. Log inSign up with Discord, Facebook, Google, Twitter
Propellerhead, Beatmaking, Making, Mixing, DAW
bogdan avatar

Curious what you all think about the seemingly inevitable over-complexification of audio software? I remember being drawn initially to Reason very early on because it was fresh yet somewhat limited. Then came v8 and 9 and it's become a completely more complex beast.

I won't say I'm nostalgic or I miss the limitations, per se, but it's an interesting conundrum, because I imagine part of that initial appeal would surely have been the ease of entry?



1 7 1304 Nov 2016


dylan avatar

Reason certainly seems to have come a long way since I last used it back when it was on version 2.5. Reason helped me get into making music with computers

Nov 2016
DInterplay avatar

Ehh, Isn't this what has to happen though? We could argue whether or not the software complexity is a failure of the designers, but I feel like features need to keep growing. The user base grows and the software needs to musically grow with them.

But that is why we will continue to see new software and DAW's created every year. There will always be an opportunity for new users to find a v1.0 of a piece of software and with luck they both can spend the next 10-20 years growing together.

Studio One was a great example of a product that came to the market a few years ago and has grown with its user base.

Nov 2016
bogdan avatar

@DInterplay: I don't have any ill feelings about the evolution. I'm simply curious about it. When I look at software like trackers, there really wasn't any inevitable progression. It was just about maximizing the capabilities of the sound chip. Now it's about ... well, I'm not even sure. There is certainly far more capacity these days and that's an incredible thing.

That said, I do wonder sometimes if it's a bit overwhelming / distracting. And so maybe this is why people are so drawn to hardware, modulars, etc... because the complexity is self-imposed, self-driven and totally optional?

Nov 2016

I have always thought Reason was unnecessarily complicated but I REALLY want you to do this:


which has nothing to do with any of this.

Nov 2016
Jonas78 avatar

@bogdan "When I look at software like trackers, there really wasn't any inevitable progression."

Not sure about that one if you look at the evolution of 'event list' kind of trackers on the c64 to protracker/octamed etc on the Amiga to fasttracker/impulsetracker/Buzz etc on the pc to what we have now in Renoise. The basis of placing events in vertical time is still the same, but features and complexity have definitely increased. Moar options the better imo, the user has to find his own workflow.

For example I've never used groups, hardly use send channels, can't code scripts, just recently started using phrases (which are patterns that can be triggered from withing instruments), just cause it is there, doesn't mean you have to use it.

Nov 2016
n9 avatar

If anyone wants a Reason 8 license with a very large collection of REs, contact me -- I'll let it go for a good price. robb.monn at gmail.com

Nov 2016
zyxt avatar

I just purchased a Squarp Pyramid to get away from the complexity of software in general. I love the idea of infinite possibilities that DAW's and plug-ins bring, but I do find that same idea overwhelming at times.

Nov 2016
What do you think? Sign up with Discord, Facebook, Google, Twitter to leave a comment.